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Perdue calls for more taxes, fewer education cuts

Wednesday, June 17, 2009
(Updated Thursday, June 18 - 7:22 am)

GREENSBORO — Two young girls greeted Gov. Bev Perdue at Smith High School auditorium with signs that set the tone for the afternoon.

“Save teacher jobs, save class size.”

Perdue told gatherings of teachers in Greensboro and Raleigh on Wednesday that lawmakers should raise taxes to protect public school classrooms from budget cuts.

“It’s been hard for me to watch the General Assembly work to try to close this enormous gap ... to make sure the state works for all you all,” Perdue said at Smith.

In Raleigh, she called the idea of adding two children per classroom next year and three children per classroom the year after “totally unacceptable.” She also called on lawmakers, who began negotiating a final budget deal this week, to avoid cuts to teacher pay and classroom supplies such as books.

“I have talked to them about the money that is necessary to keep North Carolina’s public schools whole and let us have an economic development future,” Perdue told reporters.

Those words fell on many skeptical ears in Greensboro, where teachers and school system officials questioned the likelihood of anything but significant cuts to education, pointing to cuts made this year.

“I feel very betrayed by the governor,” said Mike Moser, a Kernodle Middle School teacher. “What she did to us here today was just a repeat of what she did to get elected.”

Moser, a teacher in Guilford County for seven years, said the proposed job cuts had been hard on Kernodle staff and many worry next year will be difficult.

Perdue visited a meeting of the top legislative budget writers early Wednesday and said she spoke to them “the need for revenues,” meaning new fees and taxes.

The House and Senate are trying to reconcile previous versions of the budget into one agreement that is due by July 1. The final agreement will have to bridge a $4.7 billion gap between the money North Carolina projects it will make from taxes and the spending it needs to continue programs at current levels.

The House has proposed raising taxes by $784 million through a combination of methods, including adding two new income tax brackets and raising sales taxes.

Perdue said Wednesday that more increases were needed and made a pitch once again for raising the excise taxes on beer, wine and cigarettes. House and Senate lawmakers rejected those increases this spring but might be pushed to reconsider them by the worsening budget situation.

Although Perdue declined to say how much she wanted to see taxes raised, legislative leaders said she is asking for up to $1.5 billion in new taxes — double what the House proposed.

Alan Duncan, the Guilford County school board chairman, wondered where the details were in Perdue’s rallying cries. “The governor hasn’t offered any specifics about how to get there,” he said.

Sen. David Hoyle, a Dallas Democrat and one of the Senate’s chief tax writers, said he thought the General Assembly could raise that much in new revenue if lawmakers were willing to make extensive changes to how taxes are collected.

“Everybody’s going to have to take a bad dose of medicine, but we’re not going to give them a lethal dose,” Hoyle said.

Income, sales and corporate taxes would have to be applied to more people, items and services under a Senate plan for tax changes, Hoyle said.

In exchange, the rate paid on any one item or for any one income level would come down.

A similar idea was in the House budget, which proposes expanding sales taxes to such items as warranties and appliance installations. The Senate proposals, which were floated this year and have been echoed by independent tax reform commissions, would take that idea further.

Most attending the Greensboro rally were members and supporters of the N.C. Association of Educators, an association of teachers that acts much like a union and pushes for changes in public policy.

Contact Mark Binker at (919) 832-5549 or mark.binker@news-record.com

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Jim R. Bounds (Associated Press)

Photo Caption: Gov. Bev Perdue 

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Panacea

June 17, 2009 - 12:03 pm EDT

Tax tobacco and alcohol. It won't fix the problem, but it will go a good way towards doing so.

zarman

June 17, 2009 - 12:39 pm EDT

I always get a kick out of the self righteous sin taxers. But then too, I am sure you agree with tax and spend Bev raping and pillaging the N.C. Education Lottery for non education use, because as we all know; gambling is a sin too. lol

DaveW

June 17, 2009 - 2:07 pm EDT

I think both the state house and senate did not put a tobacco tax in their respective proposed budgets although Governor Perdue is in favor of one. I taught health last school year and from my experience teenagers do not understand health risks of smoking. I tried to reach them by having them do simple math of a hypothetical one pack a day smoker. Example $4 per pack times 365 = $1460 spent per year on a habit that puts health at risk. Want have almost $1500 more a year? Don't smoke.I was hoping for the tax on tobacco in order to make my job easier.Also my dad quit smoking 40 years ago, which is most likely why he is still alive.

dcolin

June 17, 2009 - 2:45 pm EDT

What is health?

Many of the kids can't actually multiply without their calculator.
Try it and see.

Forget long division completely

Paul J

June 17, 2009 - 12:33 pm EDT

More taxes hell, spend more wisely and quite wasting money.

hgals01

June 17, 2009 - 1:41 pm EDT

I did not vote for this!! NC is not known for high taxes, do not ruin this beautiful state and discourage growth. We would do much better republican and independent leadership. People in our city and state need to wake up on who they vote for locally, state, and federal level. High taxes will put everyone in the poor house.

ncb

June 17, 2009 - 5:46 pm EDT

I disagree. NC is known to be the Taxachussetts of the South. And now its going to get worse. And dont even get me started on how corrupt the state's ruling Democrat party is. We make Chitown and Nawlins' blush

EGParent

June 17, 2009 - 2:03 pm EDT

NO TAXES!....This is a ploy....take the money from the kids and people will vote for a tax increase the same ploy
that was used to bring in the NC State EDUCATION Lottery....Since the Lottery is no longer and really never has
supported "EDUCATION" it should be done away with too!!

Bev...what you need to do is focus on bringing in jobs and rewarding companies for bringing jobs back from oversees...
Look at Vanity Fair, Hanes Brands, IBM....all hiring non-tax paying India contract employees and laying off North Carolininians...These companies have layed off thousands from North Carolina.....tax-paying thousands and now the government is feeling the pain....

justaguy46

June 17, 2009 - 2:09 pm EDT

Go right ahead and raise the price of a carton of ciggies $10.00, I will simply drive just a few miles to Va and buy mine! ELECTING THIS WOMAN GOVERNOR WAS A HUGE MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

igliigli

June 17, 2009 - 2:11 pm EDT

Sadly, we need to pass a tax increase, but there is plenty of State Budget waste and fraud
that needs to be cut also. The proposed Budget includes changing to a zero-based budget.
We need to make sure this is not removed from the final Budget.

Obamas Brain

June 17, 2009 - 2:18 pm EDT

Ole Bev is an unimaginative pol so what do you expect? every problem is a money problem so why not raise taxes? every one knows raising taxes is the only answer. what a joke. North Carolina used ot be a great place to live but once the relocated liberals took over they are now destroying this state also.
Fairly soon it wont just be businesses that will be fleeing NC it will be the populace. Texas and Montana are starting to look preety good.

greywolf

June 17, 2009 - 2:13 pm EDT

Excellent! Sanity begins to prevail! There's no way that cutting program after program can fix this problem. I am all for the tobacco and alcohol taxes, but think that the high-end ($250k-plus and $500k-plus) income tax rates should be significantly increased, as well. You can't tell me that folks making $40k/month can't afford to contribute more to the general wellbeing of the state.

I know the wealthy would prefer to starve out the poor, cut education expenditures, etc., but that is just not feasible. I would say that you need to keep the working-class alive, so they can man your factories when the recovery begins, but I guess you have already outsourced all of your jobs overseas. I suppose you at least need to keep them alive so you can take advantage of them as consumers when your Chinese plants gear up for the next boom.

tonymo

June 17, 2009 - 2:31 pm EDT

Greywolf, you are a perfect example of the kind of mindless idiots that we have breeding in this once great country. How many people do you employ? How much do you pay in taxes to support society? I would gess that you are among the bottome 50% of taxpayers who pay less than 3% or income taxes, and complain that the "wealthy" don't pay enough.

You are obviously one of the people the Pravda columnist spoke of in his great column when he said while detailing America's descent into Marxism: "First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Pride blind the foolish."

What we pay to fund this failed "education" system is a joke. Do yourself a favor and look in the phone book under Guilford County Scools to see the massive number of positions that have ZERO to do with teaching children. The school system is foremost a union jobs program.

dcolin

June 17, 2009 - 2:59 pm EDT

What is your plan to save us.?

Obamas Brain

June 17, 2009 - 3:23 pm EDT

De-centralize!

dcolin

June 17, 2009 - 3:47 pm EDT

Do away with the federal government?

Explain

Illiterati

June 17, 2009 - 4:08 pm EDT

What's the saying? God helps those who help themselves. That's my plan, and I suggest you start doing the same. Apparently it's the government's plan, too, as they help themselves to more and more of our money.

Brainwash

June 17, 2009 - 3:55 pm EDT

"Pride blind the foolish."

I hope you are not talking about your pride.

greywolf

June 17, 2009 - 7:40 pm EDT

Gee, No Mo' Tony, you drew a whole series of inaccurate conclusions there, ol' buddy. You know what they say about assuming... When I read your comments, I had to sadly agree on one point... If you are a product of the local school system, you are indeed correct about the inadequacy of the products of that system.

gso me

June 17, 2009 - 4:21 pm EDT

I couldn't agree more with greywolf here. Again, thanks for adding sanity to the comments section.

greywolf

June 17, 2009 - 7:33 pm EDT

'Gso me,' it is amazing that you and I are often the lone voices of reason among those who participate in these debates. Thanks for the vote of support!

Doug Johnson

June 17, 2009 - 3:43 pm EDT

You are right, border states love NC high taxes.
In Danville, a third of their business comes from Taxolina.
If you could find a newsmedia, that showed all the pork, they could print a Sunday paper ever day.
Sadly the Raleigh Mafia owns Freedom FROM the media.
I love to see a report on the income, on Grandfathers Mountain, Parton Adventures, Chimmey Rock, Basnight Bed and Breakfast, and the cost of illegals.

Illiterati

June 17, 2009 - 4:06 pm EDT

I think it might be time to move into one of those lower-tax border states. At this rate, I'll be working well after I'm dead just to pay all these taxes!

rmacz

June 17, 2009 - 4:19 pm EDT

The only problem with this, is that it isn't election year.

obiwon

June 17, 2009 - 4:54 pm EDT

Now Now.. Let's calm down. we can't talk about illegals or everyone thinks we are all a bunch of hate filled rednecks who don't like anyone from outside the country. Unfortunately, they can't read so they miss the key word - "illegal" which means other than legal so legal immigration is okay. Don't let these liberal cry babies fool you. Illegals cost us plenty and much more than what little they put back into the economy. Remember all the articles on how much they send back home to the motherland. It's not staying here but the problems created will. There are solutions to all of our problems and it's not just illegals. It's mainly politicians like Bev and Kay and the democrats who have drunk the Obama juice. Once these socialists own all of the major businesses in the country, we can't go back. It's getting closer every day.

Brainwash

June 17, 2009 - 5:03 pm EDT

"Once these socialists own all of the major businesses in the country, we can't go back. It's getting closer every day."

Can't go back to.. 8 years ago? 250 years ago?

swerdna

June 17, 2009 - 5:40 pm EDT

Looks like we have "Tax Hike Mike, Jr." in office now. The amount we're paying for taxes keeps going up, and the amount we have to live on keeps going down. The city wants a little more, the state wants a little more, and if you think the Federal Government isn't going to need more to pay for all of obama's projects, you're sorely mistaken. Sooner or later, politicians are going to find out that if they keep going to the well, it's going to run dry! Bev, try something new for a change.... like cutting expenses and trimming the fat.

Folks, the state's problems are greatly increased by the presence of illegals. They're draining our resources! They use our roads, but pay no taxes. They use our schools, but pay no taxes. They use our medical facilities, our water, our gasoline, etc. thus leaving less for our legal citizens. So, Bev, for a start... how about cracking down on illegal aliens in our state. For our state representatives, I encourage them to pass legislation that would require employers to use e-Verify to make sure the people they employ are legal US citizens.

Time to say "enough!"

GboroMan

June 17, 2009 - 5:42 pm EDT

So, trying to preserve public education is socialism? Hmm, I suppose you're right. It is government providing for the common good and that's real sociable. Shoot, why stop there? Get rid of that darned public safety program too - who needs government-funded policemen or firemen? Taking my tax money! Garbage collection in the city? Hell, I'll throw my trash in my a--hole neighbor's yard. Water? There is a fine creek that runs nearby, though it is a bit polluted from that company up the road. Traffic lights, paved streets? Who needs 'em - dirt roads used to be good enough for everyone 'round here. We got too many edumucated people around here anyway - the rest of the country actually thinks Greensboro and NC is a fine place to live and we definitely need to change that perception.

overtaxed

June 17, 2009 - 9:52 pm EDT

Why is that when politicians are faced with budget shortfalls the first thing they go after is education and other legitimate services that we taxpayers approve. The answer is to con us in to higher taxes.
Why don't they cut into prison budgets that fund things like cable tv, 3 or 4 excessive meals a day (that are better than the one's our kids get),turn prisons into recreation centers instead of rehabilitation centers.Why cant they find ways to make our "joke of a judicial system" more cost effcient. Answer: Because our politicians are also lawyers that know as long as crime runs rampant the lawyers ,judges and politicians keep getting richer at the taxpayers expense.
Take a look at the crime stats for Greensboro in 2008 courtesy of Wikipedia.org and remember the increased Fed, State and City taxpayer dollars used to fund the city in the name of "Crime Prevention"

"Crime
In a pattern usually seen within urban areas within the Southern United States, Greensboro tends to have crime levels considerably higher than the national average. For the year of 2006, the city experienced 6,931 overall crimes committed per 100,000 residents; the national average was 4479.3 per 100,000 residents.[22] For that year Greensboro ranked above the national average on every category of violent crime as well as all forms of property crime.[23] For the year of 2008, Greensboro ranked above the national average for all forms of violent crime and property crime. The city also ranked higher on crimes than the North Carolina state averages.[24] There was a total of 15,901 crimes committed for the year of 2008, this is a decrease when compared to the previous year of 2007, that year Greensboro experienced 16,676 total crimes citywide.[25]

According to the Congressional Quarterly Press '2008 City Crime Rankings: Crime in Metropolitan America, Greensboro, North Carolina ranks as the 57th most dangerous city larger than 75,000 inhabitants. The city crime rankings released by CQ Press assign Greensboro the highest crime rate among North Carolina cities.[26]"

Also if anyone else wants to learn how our state budget got into this mess then click on the link below and while you're at it check out the other news-worthy items on the site that expose our corrupt state government the N-R doesn't feel is news-worthy.

http://www.newsobserver.com/executive_privilege/

hopie1122

June 17, 2009 - 11:25 pm EDT

If the state and government needs money so bad, quit serving alcohol at meetings and social get togethers, with open bars, I as a tax payer don't want to be buying our goverment mix drinks , Get off the tobacco for awhile, when our government employees take clients to dinner, we the taxpayer, pay for the food, (the Drinks), try going to a fast food restaraunt, or better yet cook for them,lol . lets see Mrs Bev,and all the other gov.officials tighten the belt alittle , just a little, we as the middle and lower class adults have did it all our lives. We already don't know where our next meal will come from, or how we will pay for car repair,even down to paying something like paying $20.00, motor vehicle taxe, We already live from hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck, with No savings to fall back on,, bet Mrs Bev can't say that.

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