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Internal strife consumes Shiloh Baptist

Sunday, June 14, 2009
(Updated 3:00 am)

GREENSBORO — The secular troubles tearing at the heart of Shiloh Baptist Church are merely the latest upheaval at the historic church in the past 13 years.

As far back as 1997, consultants brought in to study the church’s dynamics spoke of congregational dysfunctions that emphasized legal remedies over spiritual principles.

Those reports outlined unevenly enforced rules and a “social club” environment with an emphasis on “un-Christlike problem-solving strategies.”

“Some of the observations and recommendations may be distasteful to you because they require some painful introspection and corrective steps,” wrote consultant Karen Wilson-Starks of Transleadership Inc. of Colorado Springs, Colo.

The comments made back then could ring true today regarding the latest rift involving the Rev. F. Willis Johnson and some members of the congregation.

Starks’ report came after the acrimonious departure of the Rev. Gregory Headen, who took nearly half the Eugene Street congregation when he resigned in 1996.

Some members say that report is applicable today as Shiloh faces the prospect of losing its third pastor since then. They say little was learned by church leaders.

“They didn’t go by any of the suggestions she gave us,” Theodora Parker, a retired biology teacher who has attended Shiloh since the 1960s , said of church leadership.

But some members have another perspective.

“She said we should get together and talk, but when you can’t talk, you have to find another way,” said George Widemon , also a decades-long member who sat on the most recent pastoral search committee.

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Shiloh isn’t the only church with problems, but one in which fighting has become legendary — perhaps because of the church’s history as a leader in the civil rights movement and the extent to which its bylaws limit the traditional authority of a pastor.

The latest trouble involves a dispute between Shiloh’s governing council and Johnson. The council suspended him for 90 days because of how he was running the church.

Johnson and his supporters said the action was more about control and money than his pastoral work.

A judge recently upheld the suspension, so Johnson remains at arm’s length of his flock, including a couple in premarital counseling who had to find another pastor to do their wedding ceremony this month.

The church is paying a rotation of ministers $250 per Sunday to preach in Johnson’s place until the next church vote on whether to keep him as pastor.

Johnson, who makes $69,000 a year, has been unable to check on elderly church members because the judge’s ruling, for example, bars him from “carrying on any of the duties of the pastor of Shiloh Baptist Church.”

His work on a free summer lunch program for kids in the immediate vicinity won’t go anywhere this year either, he said.

“I did not come here blind to the fact that this was obviously a tough context for ministry, that it had a history,” Johnson, 34, said of his hiring. “And I did not come naïvely … that 'if anybody can change this thing, it’s me.’ I came because I was led, given all that was presented, to come to Shiloh.”

Widemon said he also remembers Johnson’s words about the church’s constitution, which outlines the roles of everyone from the deacons to the finance committee.

“He said, 'I don’t have no problem with it — every church needs one,’ ” Widemon said. “I brought him on that statement alone.”

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Church infighting isn’t new. In 1994, police were called to United Institutional Baptist Church to stop a fight after Sunday worship, which ended with the pastor leaving and members waiting for a locksmith to change the locks.

In 2004, a suit setting Hayes Memorial United Holy Church’s pastor against some of its several hundred members alleged in court filings that the then-pastor was “polarizing” the church.

Widemon said Johnson spoke of writing grants to help get a family life center built but became more wide-eyed about the things Shiloh Baptist could do for him, including the purchase of a car.

In the suit against Johnson, the plaintiffs accuse him of many of the same allegations that former pastor Tyrone Kilgoe faced in a lawsuit — from using the pulpit to embarrass church members to taking unreported “love offerings” from members without approval.

The latter, Widemon said, could cause the church problems with the IRS.

Other allegations include Johnson conducting church business without authority, such as approving an arrangement with the local cable station to televise Sunday services.

“I told him he was a disappointment, and I apologized to the church for being a part in bringing him to Shiloh,” Widemon said of the letter he later wrote to Johnson and the congregation.

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“We have been members of that church, many and most of us, for many, many years and it’s worse than a brother or sister fighting another,” said T.J. Warren , a former vice president of the trustee board who grew up at Shiloh Baptist.

Warren, who even hears jokes on the golf course about the ruckus at Shiloh, recently sat in court with Johnson.

“I think Reverend Johnson is one of the finest young men we’ve had at Shiloh Baptist Church,” Warren said. “I say young because Reverend Johnson is a young pastor. He has room for growth like anyone — there are some things he could do differently — but I don’t think that’s really the issue.

“There’s a group of people ... bound to build a family life center that’s going to cost $1 million-plus and Shiloh isn’t taking in the income,” Warren said. “To go out and talk about or even think about a family life center is unreasonable, and Reverend Johnson doesn’t think it’s the right time.”

When Shiloh’s divided membership asked a consultant for help with ways to heal the congregation a decade ago, Starks conducted surveys, interviewed members and reviewed documents.

She found favoritism in filling board positions, and church leaders and members who “appear to give greater weight to secular documents such as the constitution” than “the Bible or to spiritual disciplines such as prayer” and who have “a tendency to apply the law while forgetting the principles of grace.”

Her advice, among other things: increase spiritual development activities, and review and revise the nomination and election processes. She also suggested they “wisely select a new pastor.”

Two other pastors have left in turmoil since then. Johnson remains suspended.

 

Contact Nancy McLaughlin at 373-7049 or nancy.mclaughlin@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Joseph Rodriguez (News & Record)

Photo Caption: Rev. F. Willis Johnson Jr.

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tiffani716

June 14, 2009 - 8:02 am EDT

I don't know anything about Dr.Gregory Headen's time at Shiloh. I have attened Genesis where he is a pastor now since 2001 and have no qualms about him, his preaching, his leadership, or the officers in charge. I am not saying that he is perfect, cause no one is, but what I say is that the going on's there are pretty much transparency and as we repeat our church litany once a month, we may disagree with things, but in the spririt of God and unity, yield to the majority when a decision needs to be made. I have no problem with that. As I said, I do not know what Rev Headen was accused of nor do I care as I have not witnessed any of it myself. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until I feel I need to do something else.

You know the saying your parents said, It can't always be someone else's fault".....That's the way I see this current situation at Shiloh. It can't be all 3 of the last preachers that have come there. It must be the CONGREGATION or more specifically the leadership at the church that needs a drastic change. Maybe the bylaws need to be revised.
Who knows, but it's seems ridiculous that this keeps happening. I would not want to visit or contribute to a church that is suppose to help the community and they can't even get along with themselves. Why did they ask someone to come from COLORADO to tell them what they could do to heal the rift at their church, but then take nothing that she said into consideration.

I hope Shiloh gets it together SOON and we don't have to hear about their public problems every few years!

J Peterman Reality Tour

June 14, 2009 - 9:17 am EDT

Why doesn't someone file a Racial Discrimination Lawsuit against someone? I'm sure someone is being discriminated against, in this black church of God . . .

thePoint

June 14, 2009 - 3:27 pm EDT

Father forgive them, for they know not what they do

abc123

June 14, 2009 - 10:28 am EDT

Being a long life member of Shiloh it hurts me to see the things that have been going on. Are there problems at Shiloh? Yes. Most of the problems that occur happen once we bring a minister to the church. There are a group of people who feel that there is a need to go the minister and tell the dirt on other members which causes problems from the get go. I would hope the Minister would be a bigger person and not listen to these members but that is not the case. Pastor Johhson has used this to further divide a church that is trying to heal from what has happened in the past and now he is using the newspaper to further divide and conquer the church.

Since Rev. Johnson has been there he has done nothing to try to grow the church. He talks about how he cannot go and visit the elderly due to his suspension, well he did not do that when he was the pastor so why is he trying to use that as an excuse now? The consultants advice, and I qoute "among other things: increase spiritual development activities, and review and revise the nomination and election processes. She also suggested they “wisely select a new pastor.” She is right, we need to increase spirtiual development which is usuallly lead by the Pastor. Since Rev. Johnson has been here he has done nothing to increase spirtiual growth for our congregation. He has not devloped in spirtiual ministries to help grow the church and the few ministries that we had he has torn them apart that they almost don't exist anymore. We most certainly need to choose wisely when looking a new pastor. We thought we did that with Rev. Johnson but we were wrong. All he has done is create strife and divide this church even more. He has broken relationships that we have had with other churches in the community for years. He takes the bible puts it on the ground and jumps on it. I thought that maybe with the suspension things could work it self out. But now I see that this will not happen. People keep saying that he is a young minister but why is that ok? Because he is a young minister does he get a pass to act foolish? If he was just a 34 year old acting foolish would people be ok with that or would they say something is wrong?

westronandnan@aol.com

June 14, 2009 - 10:49 am EDT

With all the drama going on at Shiloh, seems like they're better suited to becoming a Dinner Theater. They already have a kitchen where they could prepare the meals and a cast of actors skilled in drama. Shut it down and reopen as the Shiloh Dinner Theater.

Panacea

June 14, 2009 - 10:51 am EDT

These things happen in white churches, too. I quit going to the Methodist church were I grew up because of this sort of thing.

The important thing to remember, and this is what I think the consultants were trying to tell church leadership in 1996, is that when we enter the House of God we do so to celebrate God's love, mercy, and grace through the sacrifice of His only Son--not to celebrate each other.

Sounds like the latter is what is going on at Shiloh. Very sad.

gboro84

June 14, 2009 - 2:51 pm EDT

What do you expect from the same circle of people who support the likes of AJ Blake and James Hinson? Citizens of Greensboro, get informed and vote in November so we can get rid of the members of these churches who are involved in the planning and devlelpment of this city. Just look at how they handle their spiritual problems. How do you think they will act when you give them some real power and money and they have important decisions to make. Vote them out and let them play this stupid game in their own little circle, not with our taxes and lives.

Douliveinaglasshouse

June 14, 2009 - 3:40 pm EDT

what?*%#@!

Panacea

June 14, 2009 - 5:30 pm EDT

Huh? Whoa, hold on there. You can't take internal strife in a church and turn it into a racial thing.

I don't know if James Hinson has clean hands or not. I do know GPD's methods of investigating him were highly improper.

None of that has anything to do with what's going on in this church. Don't mix apples with oranges.

gboro84

June 14, 2009 - 6:47 pm EDT

Where did I turn anything racial? Huh? Please point it out.

You are right, you and I do not know if HInson's hands are clean, but there is nothing improper about keeping close watch on city employees who are suspected of involvement with more than one international drug dealer? Shiloh Baptist Church has played a major role in stirring up doubt about the allegations of Hinson when they should never have been involved. I did not bring it up, the church did, years ago. I am not suprised at the back biting and power struggles within these churches that are influenced by Greensboro political entities. Gregory Headen was and is at the center of the controversy about Greensboro Police allegedly taping black political leaders for nefarious purposes. The whole thing was a fiction. The parties doing the recording, the man who authorized the recording and many who were actually recorded have clarified this through every medium except the news and record because this paper will not print their stories.
Ask yourself this, why in the world would is the news and record keeping up with the politics of this church? It's because the leadership of this church is all about stirring up a storm. They give their church a bad name, they have given this city a bad name. Remember these are the same people that would not even consider replacing the former city manager. Birds of a feather flock together. In other words, they are all crooked.
Don't forget to point out please, where I turned this into a racial thing?Since you immediately pulled that card out, I am assuming you attend shiloh or at least share a sympathy with the leadership of that institution for whatever reason, maybe THAT is the racial aspect. You just couldn't help yourself.

Panacea

June 14, 2009 - 7:52 pm EDT

Your entire post is a racist statement. Use of words such as "they", "the same circle of people who supported," and "get rid of the members of these churches who are involved in the planning and development" of Greensboro.

It's crystal clear that by "they", you mean blacks.

The controversy with the Greensboro PD has NOTHING to do with internal strife within a single Baptist church, yet you seem determined to create a link.

What anyone thinks about the Wray situation is a separate issue. By combining the two, you tell me where you really stand on both issues: that the whole thing is some sort of black conspiracy.

I don't know why the N&R thought this was newsworthy. It may be because litigation has been involved in the past. Or maybe because faith is such a large part of community life here in North Carolina.

I do think that the members of this church should have found a way to keep it private. But now that it's public, I just shake my head at the obvious focus on the material world, and the lack of focus on God. That's not what church is supposed to be about. And it continues to make me very sad.

gboro84

June 14, 2009 - 10:50 pm EDT

You are just determined to make me a racist. Look, "they" are the same people that brought on the press conference where AJ Blake slanders a city councilman. "They" are the ones who pleaded that night to keep an ineffective city major to maintain a status quo of distrust and DIVISION between the races in Greensboro. "They" are the ones tearing their congregations apart with crap like this rather than spreading the love of god. I find the deterioration of these churches a direct reflection of how "they" conduct their professional instfutions. By the way, I'm black, and the leadership of this church happen to be as well. Doesn't change the fact that they love to see their names in the paper. That is why we are even reading about it and having this discussion. A faction in the church wanted this printed so as to cause controversy. Get a freakin clue. Same reason these same "community leaders" have had their names in the paper before. Stirring mess up. Tell me, do you have ANY clue how this all started? I didn't think so.

gboro84

June 14, 2009 - 10:53 pm EDT

"Your entire post is a racist statement. Use of words such as "they", "the same circle of people who supported," and "get rid of the members of these churches who are involved in the planning and development" of Greensboro.
It's crystal clear that by "they", you mean blacks."

------------If you read the post in it's entirety, you would have comprehended the fact that I am writing about the leadership of these churches. Not the congregations. Not black people. Place card on top of deck.

J Peterman Reality Tour

June 15, 2009 - 6:55 am EDT

I've no problem being called a racist . . . especially when I'm telling the truth. Many black people in Greensboro make racial problems for everyone. The black churches in Greensboro play political patsy with every issue black related.

. . . we are at the root of a problem . . .

gboro84

June 15, 2009 - 1:20 pm EDT

J Pete, you are very right, and that DOES NOT make you a racist. I have a suspicion that Gregory Headen is behind this article and related ones that have been recently printed. He has done everything he can to disparage Shiloh and it's congregation. His followers will support him no matter how low he stoops. As I pointed out, this is the same man who has pushed the Hinson/Blake/Fulmore issues into the spotlight. Panacea claims I believe in a racial conspiracy, but isn't Headen the one who, just a couple of weeks ago, called a press conference to expose a conspiracy against a black officer convicted of two counts of woman beating. According to the press conference, Blake is being framed by over a dozen officers, the city council, and the court system. Gregory Headen and his cohorts would like the black and white citizens of Greensboro to never get along, for if we all got along, then him and his buddies would have nothing to moan about. We've made so much progress since 1979 but people like him looove to point out the shortcomings of this city. Just like Mr. Headen had this article printed to show what a shambles Shiloh is since they have no longer been under his great guidance.

greatisourgod

June 15, 2009 - 8:15 pm EDT

84
I believe you to be a person who is very learned about our great society. Therefore, I write to you with great respect and pray that you would be respectful also. First, Rev. Dr. Gregory Headen should be given the honor of his calling into the ministry and his EARNED educational titles.
Secondly, I would like to invite you to Genesis Baptist Church to get to know our pastor. You may come away with your same suspicions, but at least you will be as learned about him in person as you seem to know him at a distance. I would say that once you meet and engage him on a moral, theological, and/or political debate ,your stance would change.
It is easy to disparage people you don't know. Rev. Headen still has many friends at Shiloh and has a great love for them. You said "He has done everything he can to disparage Shiloh and its congregation", I challenge you to find one quote or instance where that is true!
In regards to the press conference, the answer to your question is "no".

Rev. Dr. Headen is an honorable man. Everyone who has engaged him one on one,no matter what their political stance is, has come away very impressed with his integrity. You question that integrity as a called prophet of God. I encourgage to get to know him.
As a member of his congregation, I do support my pastor but I do have a mind of my own. If you accept my invitation to join us in worship service, you will find we have a diversity of members and our focus is on doing the will of God.
We have made a lot of progress since 1979 but we do have a long ways to go. As long as we can stay engaged and share our differences and communicate intelligently, we can continue to make progress. As a person of so great a knowledge about Dr. Headen, I am sure you would agree!

Ebonyman

June 15, 2009 - 7:15 pm EDT

To the situation at the Shiloh Baptist Church in Greensboro, I have a few observations. First, I serve as Senior Pastor in my congregation, and I know these kinds of thins like the back of my hand. first, with all due respect, the church should immediatly get rid of Atty. Camille Payton! From reading the various articles and the history of this troubled church, it becomes quite clear that this situation is nothing more than a "power struggle" with the "Trustees" at the helm. In the average tradtional Black Baptist Church, you will find that the most educated and influential people in the church are on the trustee "board".

While I do not know all the players on a personal level, I can say that given my 28 years in the Christian ministry, experience as a pastor and community leader, I am willing to put my very life on this next statement: if four pastors have come and gone in ten years, you can bet your bottom dollar that it is purely a power struggle, and the ultimate question is who is going to run the church? The trustees? Or, the pastor/and/or deacons? The mere fact that these people have little or no regards for the Word of God, says that they care more about what "Robert's rules of order" has to say rather than what "Thus saith the Lord!" Also, I am willing to bet you that most of these persons fighting the pastor are biblically illiterate! They wouldn't know the difference between Paul, Daniel, or Moses!

What is needed is not a Court intervention, but a contrite and repentent people humbling themselves before the Lord and for them to cry out to God for mercy! They need to start obeying the Word of God, begin to study to understand the role of the pastor, the congregation, and the deacons. Trustees are not a biblical position, but a man-made entity. Fianlly, they need to stop fighting and bullying their pastors! There is no biblical president where a congregation is over the Elders of the Church! The Elders/Pastors/Bishops (All are one and the same) are called to lead the church, not the congregation. I am willing to challenge anyone who can show me otherwise.

Sincerely,

Ebonyman

blessed

June 16, 2009 - 3:43 am EDT

I agree with Ebonyman. There is no way all this trouble is the pastors. The members need to seek Christ. You may have money and think you are all that but God do not like ugly. He let you go so far and then he punish . I pray you people stop making a mockry out of God. The blood is on your hand as sinner look at you. Please seek God before it is too late.

getagoodgrip

June 24, 2009 - 12:01 am EDT

Hell No! Payton, you - got - to - GO!!! The problem at Shiloh is not just the council. It's the silent members who are complicit in this continued saga. When will they speak up? They have just as much of a right to vote out those egomaniacal, counter-productive miscreants as they do the pastor. They need to determine that this travesty will not happen again, stand together, support their pastor, and set those sinners DOWN!!!

yond

June 21, 2009 - 11:26 pm EDT

I just have one question, how did you actually get this pimp out of the pulpit. i just recently went through something very similar at my church of 30+ years. It was discovered in Dec 08 that our Pastor had been charging $800+ dollars on the church credit card on a monthly basis, was never authorized by the church. The head Deacon, Church Financial Secretary and the Church Treasurer, formed an alliance and have been disbursing funds t the Pastor in the name of vacation pay, another item that was not authorized by the congregation. He has gone as far as having his hair, his wifes hair, the step daughter hair done and paid for it with the church credit card. He came to church one Sunday with a slow leak in one of his tires on the Escalade, he pasid for the tire with the credit card, to the tune of $1500.00. We tried to talk with him, he avoided all meetings, he later dismissed 3 board members because he said we were unholy and trying to undermine him. Our church is divided to the point that you could have a pew to yourself on Sunday morning. I have just decided to not go back until he is gone. I have advised all members and the head officials of the Free Will Baptist denomination, but it seems that they are only interested in what the church can do for them. This Pastor does not visit the sick, if the sick wants to speak with him, they have to make an appointment through the Deacons. Our congrgation is only about 100 regular attendees. So to Shilo I say Kudos, and more Kudos, for having the balls to stand up to this Pimp. My pastor has used the pulpit to talk about members, to divide families, and to just act a pure fool in Gods house. Some times I think he thinks that he is God! He has called me a witch, he has made little motions with his hands towards me as if he is putting some kind of spell on me, he has even said let the hearse whells roll. The man is CRAZY. So Shilo my suggestion is for the next Pastor, make sure he is older, has a Job outside of the church, make sure he has a 401k with his job, and make sure that if things go sour, you have the authority to set him out the door!

getagoodgrip

June 23, 2009 - 11:51 pm EDT

Two things: First, it is absolutely ignorant for you to try and compare your pastor to another you know nothing about. Second, you did the best thing any hateful member like you should do. Leave and stay away, and keep your big mouth shut, until that pastor leaves. Then return. Staying and raising hell only creates unnecessary drama and it deteriorates the morale and Christian witness of the congregation. For that I applaud you.

yond

July 6, 2009 - 11:24 pm EDT

First of all I did not call you any names, So that makes who ignorant? I will not ever keep my mouth shut when a wrong is being done. That is what is wrong with the black community, we are afraid to speak up. As far as my being hateful, u dont know me and I am sure that I dont want to know anyone like you, who has a spinless back bone, preacher or no preacher if you do wrong you need to pay the cost.. Its people like you that allow this mess to continue in the black church, we use to be there for the community and to reach out and help people in need, now all we do is help the pimps in the pulpit. If thats what you wnat to continue to do, so be it. Just so you know I intend to raise hell & the dead until this matter is brought to justice......dont get in my way.

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