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Police, fire department diversity questioned

Saturday, June 6, 2009
(Updated 6:33 am)

GREENSBORO — On Friday morning, Greensboro graduated a group of 19 firefighter recruits.

They passed a strenuous agility test with ease, instructors said.

And they performed well in the classroom. Four recruits were within a few points of the top-ranking academician in the class, Cameron Madden .

If there was one area in which the city’s 59th firefighter recruit class may have been lacking, it was diversity. About 85 percent of the graduates were white.

In Greensboro, a little less than 50 percent of the population is black, Hispanic, Asian or another racial or ethnic minority, and that has federal and city officials wondering why the police and fire departments are not more diverse.

It’s an issue the U.S. Department of Justice is investigating as part of a probe of city hiring practices launched earlier this spring.

It’s not clear exactly what the Justice Department expects to find in Greensboro. But one clue may be found in other cities that have faced government scrutiny.

In the past few years, Justice Department officials have gone after police or fire departments in Virginia, New York and Ohio.

Each time, they have found that minority applicants for entry-level positions failed application exams — such as math or written tests — more often than their white peers.

That, the Justice Department contends, amounts to disparate or discriminatory treatment, which federal law does not allow.

In Greensboro, the Justice Department is looking at the percentages of blacks and Hispanics in the fire department and of black officers in the police department.

Both departments take special steps to encourage a diverse applicant pool.

But the recruit classes still do not reflect the diverse community.

In the fire department’s past eight recruit classes, 37 percent of graduates were minorities, according to city statistics. In the police department, 73.5 percent of those in the past five classes were white.

It’s a problem city officials say they’re willing to address.

“If we’ve got something that’s broke, let’s fix it,” said Greensboro Police Capt. Danny Ingram . “If not, let’s get back to work.”

In other cities, even when minority candidates apply to work in public safety, they don’t always make it through the hiring process.

In 2006, the Justice Department took the Virginia Beach, Va., police department to court when it found that black and Hispanic applicants failed a math portion of the department’s entrance exam more often than white applicants.

The department used a standardized test, created by a testing company, that applicants had to pass to continue in the hiring process.

The department could not show any correlation between the math skills test and officer job performance, said Capt. Marie Chiarizia of Virginia Beach.

In other words, you don’t need to be a math ace to be a good police officer.

Virginia Beach ended up allowing 124 previously disqualified applicants to reapply. Most opted, instead, to take their cut of a $160,000 compensation fund.

Now, the city places less emphasis on mathematics in its application process. The test also was revised to ensure it applies directly to required job skills.

“It definitely has been a lesson learned,” Chiarizia said. Virginia Beach now has 5 percent more minority staff members than it did previously.

The fact that racial groups perform differently on tests has been well-documented in the education research field, UNCG professor emeritus Linda Wightman said.

Hiring processes that place more emphasis on job-related performance measures and less emphasis on written tests get better results, she said.

Greensboro’s fire and police departments use written tests as part of the application process.

In the police department, test performance is only one of the things considered when determining whether an applicant can continue, Ingram said.

But in the fire department, applicants must pass an exam that tests mechanical aptitude, math and reading skills, said Assistant Fire Chief C.W. Whitworth , the department’s training supervisor.

Firefighter applicants must answer at least half the questions on the written test correctly to continue in the hiring process.

“Below that, we figure they are not suited,” Whitworth said. “We feel that is a fair way of doing it.”

All 131 people who took the test in the last application round reached the 50 percent mark, Whitworth said.

Still, the fire department’s new chief, Gregory Grayson , said he’ll work with training officials and the city’s human resources staff to evaluate the test and recruitment practices to try to improve the department’s statistics.

“We will be working hard to improve the process so that our department is reflective of the community we serve,” Grayson said.

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Jerry Wolford (News & Record)

Photo Caption: Bennie Whitson III was one of 19 Fire Academy recruits who took their oaths Friday at GTCC’s Jamestown campus. About 85 percent of the graduates were white. 

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ThoseSamePeople

June 6, 2009 - 6:00 am EDT

Why is it that we focus on the negative? What was failed to be mentioned in the article is that we have the top fire department in the state of NC. It lowers our homeowners insurance rates, and they protect us when we need help. I think this validation is of far greater importance to your readers. The problem with society now is if you can't pass a test, well then lets look and maybe make the test easier. No I only want the best when my life is on the line and these 19 graduates along with the other men and women of the GSO Fire department are the best. We as a city need to praise their work, not belittle the hiring process.

kipper

June 6, 2009 - 8:54 am EDT

I completely agree with everything you said. And to add to that, to take such a special day for 19 amazing and accomplished individuals and make it seem like they, or the GFD, have done something wrong, is at best, incredibly poor form on a day when they should feel nothing but pride. Great timing, Amanda.

kabe83

June 6, 2009 - 9:50 am EDT

I agree! I know that if Amanda's house were to catch on fire she would want the firefighters to be fully focused on putting out the fire rather than focusing on race instead.

Amanda Lehmert

June 6, 2009 - 1:51 pm EDT

Hi kabe83 and kipper,

I also wrote a story about the graduation, which explained how accomplished the class was, in additional to including it in this story. It's important to note that it is not me who is focused on the racial makeup of the fire department -- it's the Justice Department. That is a reality the city is facing. I could ignore the story and you wouldn't have to read it, but the situation would not change.

ThoseSamePeople

June 6, 2009 - 3:27 pm EDT

Funny, but when I logged on at 6am there was no positive story in regards to the graduating class. Half hour later the (positive) story appeared. Coincidence, no I don't think so. Look, I want to and still do, be an architect, however, I was awful in math. I couldn't pass the test therefor I am not an architect. I am white, NOT a minority. So should they change the rules. Hell no. They should only accept the best. By the way I also do NOT work for the fire department, if I only had the guts and courage.....OH yeah and smarts to pass the written part

ENOUGH SAID.

Amanda Lehmert

June 6, 2009 - 6:17 pm EDT

Both stories appeared in the morning newspaper. Both were posted online at 3 a.m. by our online publishing system. It's possible what you saw was a link added from the DOJ story sometime this morning. But both stories were already online.

kipper

June 7, 2009 - 11:28 am EDT

Amanda, I realize that it is the Justice Department, not you, that is focused on the demographics of the Greensboro Fire Department. And I did see the less than 10 sentence blurb on the graduation itself. All I was pointing out was that you basically exploited the graduating class to justify your article.

Lakeshia

June 6, 2009 - 6:34 am EDT

I want to know, by percentage, how many Presbyterians, Methodists, Mormons, Moonies, Muslims, Atheists, Scientologists, Buddhists, Lutherans, and other assorted Whackos have applied and been hired. I sincerely believe Baptists may be under represented -

Paul J

June 6, 2009 - 6:37 am EDT

Just like A&T's nursing program, lower the standards and everyone can get in. When affirmative action was put in place years ago it was suppose to give the less fortunate a chance to compete and do better. Now with all the equal and even advanced opportunities given minorities, especially colors what is the excuses now other than they do not want to work for it "just give it to me" or they are not capable of meeting the academic standards.

Panacea

June 6, 2009 - 9:33 am EDT

Affirmitive action and equal opportunity is supposed to mean equal resources to learn skills, and equal consideration for jobs regardless of race. It was not supposed to mean quotas, or giving a pass to failing candidates based on race.

averageguy40

June 6, 2009 - 7:39 am EDT

I agree with the others that have posted. When I wanted a job I tried to excel to meet that job's standards. So I could be the best I could be and an employee that they would want to hire. Not lower the bar all the way around. Thinking like this is why life doesn't improve. Congratulations to those that did apply themselves. It's nice to know some people have pride in themselves.

Paul Daniels

June 6, 2009 - 8:45 am EDT

What is diversity? I know we talk a lot about it as if we know what it is, but really, what is it and when do we know when we have reached it? I doubt, however, that we will ever get a working definition, as that would put advocates of diversity in a box, something that the use of the word "diversity" was meant to avoid. Diversity is meant to be maleable to suit any situation in which it might come in handy. Its a lot easier to say "diversity" than it is to say, affirmative action or quotas. I dare say that the advocates of diversity would oppose having a fire department that reflected the community that it served if Greensboro were 90% white.

Why should the fire department "reflect" the community it serves? Shouldn't we demand the best when it comes to important jobs like putting out fires and police work, regardless of color or ethnicity.

The justice department's position is really demeaning to minorities. It says that because they fail standardized tests at a higher rate than whites they are being discriminated against (because of the disparate impact). But math is purely objective. The square root of 100 is the same regardless of who you are or what your background is. And if you don't know math, it is for one of a couple of reasons: either you didn't study very hard or you aren't terribly bright (I admit that I don't know what sort or math is on the exam, but I can't imagine that it is terribly complex. Probably no more advanced than a little algebra and some basic geometry). Even if math is not strictly necessary to be a firefighter or a police officer, one's failure to do well on the test still tells us something about the either the motivation or intelligence of the candidates, doesn't it? And aren't someones motivation and intelligence something that should be considered when hiring public employees?

Panacea

June 6, 2009 - 12:51 pm EDT

Diversity is the new buzzword for quota.

Not that I think diversity in the dictionary sense is bad, I actually think it enriches our communities. But in hiring terms, it is the politically correct way to say quotas.

buzzman

June 6, 2009 - 8:43 am EDT

As usual, the N&R fails to report all of the facts - wouldn't be politically correct! This article should have included the percentages of applicants from each ethnic group who APPLIED for these positions. I expect that it would show that a lesser percentage of blacks, than the percentage living in Greensboro, actually apply. Although some mention is made of Hispanics, this is all about blacks wanting something for nothing. Obviously, this investigation was instigated by the black community. Not everyone wants to be a firefighter or a law enforcer!
It's ridiculous to even suggest that the percentages of minorities in these departments should reflect the percentages who live in the community. As already mentioned, the priority should be to get the very best that are available without regard for their race. If this had been done in the GPD, the department wouldn't have the problems that it has had and continues to have.

Amanda Lehmert

June 6, 2009 - 1:53 pm EDT

Hi Buzzman,

I agree that information about the number of original applicants is also important. I was not able to get it for deadline Friday. But it is something I will pursue as this investigation continues.

kipper

June 7, 2009 - 11:42 am EDT

Maybe you should have waited on publishing the article, then.

Paul J

June 6, 2009 - 8:58 am EDT

Why does a fireman have a badge and uniform? The taxpayers could save a lot of money not supplying those items. Seems like a lot to spend on parades. The volunteer fireman do not have these items but they are the real heroes and deserve our up most respect. They are made to feel second class to paid firemen and women. No I am not nor ever been a vol. fireman. Just a fact.

firerescuechick

June 7, 2009 - 9:12 pm EDT

Those badges and uniforms are used for more than parades. They are used for funerals of fallen brothers as well. It is a sign of respect for those than have fallen and will fall in the future. A funeral for a Line of Duty death is not unlike a military funeral. Would you want someone to show up to your funeral in a t-shirt and bdu pants? A lot of departments require that firefighters wear a "hard shirt" during the day and whenever they are outside of the firehouse for non-call errands. I'm a volunteer firefighter and we do have those items. While sometimes volunteers are made to feel second-class, that usually isn't the case. Whether you are white, black, male, female, paid, or volunteer, we are all there to do the same job. It is disrespectful to our fallen brothers to act otherwise.

FTM-PTB RFB

justified

June 6, 2009 - 9:00 am EDT

Do it like Chicago. If blacks fail don't hire anyone.

Panacea

June 6, 2009 - 9:31 am EDT

If the test contains items that are important to become a firefighter, then don't change the test in any way. Don't find loopholes to hire people who don't pass the entrance exam.

IF, on the other hand, the test contains items that have nothing to do with the skills required to be a fire fighter, remove those items and then see how the minorities do.

kipper

June 7, 2009 - 11:31 am EDT

Word.

williag_1998

June 6, 2009 - 9:50 am EDT

Always remember, and NEVER forget that diversity is the code word for today's reverse racism.

Katbyrd

June 7, 2009 - 8:32 am EDT

I totally agree here. I worked P/T for a local employer who literally shoved "diversity" down our throats, and it was totally aimed at the whites. I got so sick of it. I remember clearly a comment made in my work area about a NFL playoff game between Philadelphia and Carolina Panthers. The comment was "I'm pulling for the Eagles because they have a BLACK quarterback." Now.... had I said "I'm pulling for the Panthers because they have a white quarterback" -- who would have been the racist here? Racism is definitely rampant in this town.

kikablue

June 6, 2009 - 10:25 am EDT

I for one am very proud of these new fire fighters, I could care less if they were all White, Black, Hispanic, Male or Female. If my house were on fire as I'm sure everyone will agree, as long as they can put the fire out save lives including their own. Help me and the community, be there when we need them. They go through a lot of training and never know which fire might be their last. They put their lives on the line as do our police. Sure there are bad eggs, but if you look at all the bad eggs they have to protect us from while risking their lives doing it. That should be the main objective not how well did they score on their tests, why are there more of one race than the other. I am white so if I'm in my apartment on the 9 floor can't get out, what I'm going to ask are you white, did you pass as a high score in your class. How stupid would that be? Bless each and everyone of our Police, Firefighters, thank you for being there.

normingCRA1991

June 6, 2009 - 11:02 am EDT

As a minority, I just wanted to comment on how much good the N&R is doing by printing these articles.....NONE. This article really angers me. If this article does anything it hardens the hearts of non minorities against us. Has anyone heard of a BFOQ? If it cannot be proven that climbing a ladder, or doing long division is not a job necessity it is illegal. I do not believe that the City of Greensboro puts any extra limitations on minorities if they do shame on them if anything they create loopholes. If the statistics prove anything it would be reverse discrimination.... I am just looking at the numbers and nothing else...Isn't that that how it is supposed to be?

gboro84

June 6, 2009 - 11:25 am EDT

This scares me. So, because few minorities apply for these jobs, and since even fewer can meet the minimum math requirements, we just throw out the basic skills examinations? How many minorities are applying to these jobs compared to the evil racist smart whites? Ms. Lehmert=another race baiting moron who MUST have the CORRECT point of view since she didn't grow up here. Tell me Ms. Lehmert, how many blacks work in your office? Does it bother you that you don't have enough asians working next to you? Is John Robinson discriminating against minorities?

gboro84

June 6, 2009 - 11:25 am EDT

This scares me. So, because few minorities apply for these jobs, and since even fewer can meet the minimum math requirements, we just throw out the basic skills examinations? How many minorities are applying to these jobs compared to the evil racist smart whites? Ms. Lehmert=another race baiting moron who MUST have the CORRECT point of view since she didn't grow up here. Tell me Ms. Lehmert, how many blacks work in your office? Does it bother you that you don't have enough asians working next to you? Is John Robinson discriminating against minorities?

william1944

June 6, 2009 - 12:06 pm EDT

Hopefully the Supreme Court decision on the New Haven firefighters case will put a stop to this "diversity " scheme
by the DOJ. Any entity should have the right to reject unqualified applicants. If the rejections were based on ethnicity alone, then it should be illegal. Of course our spineless Congress could fix this but they won't.

mamaboilermaker

June 6, 2009 - 12:16 pm EDT

A better headline might be: parents and schools fail to teach children essential math and English skills they will need when they apply for jobs!

wscruiser

June 6, 2009 - 12:20 pm EDT

As a retired firefighter, I can truthfully say that it is extremely hard to get qualified minorities (of any race) to apply for firefighter positions in our area for the country. Why? I don't know.

In the department that I came from, we actively worked with the black community teenagers to see if we could get some of them interested in becoming a firefighter. You may get 1 out of 50 that shows a genuine interest in applying for a job with the department.

It is not the City of Greensboro's fault that qualified minority applicants are not beating City Hall's doors down to become firefighters or police officers.

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