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Don't reopen landfill, city told

Wednesday, June 3, 2009
(Updated 11:50 am)

GREENSBORO — Northeast Greensboro residents came to the City Council with one message Tuesday night: Don’t open the White Street Landfill to household trash.

Council members recently asked for more information about the costs of sending trash outside Guilford County versus expanding the landfill, which was closed to all but construction and yard waste in 2006.

Although the council had voted last year to keep the ban on household trash at the city landfill, several members said it is important to consider all options — especially when the city is strapped financially.

But that argument distressed the residents, who said they were promised the landfill was closed and want to keep it that way.

“Can dollar amounts and savings be weighed against fairness, good faith and trust in our community?” resident Jim Kee asked.

The landfill has been a source of conflict for years. Since the landfill closed, the city sends trash in trucks to a landfill in a neighboring county.

The costs, some council members have argued, have become untenable. City staff planned to present council members with an analysis of the operational costs of an expanded landfill, as well as the costs of buying some of the homes that surround the landfill.

Tuesday night, a dozen residents asked council members not to reopen the debate.

“You aren’t just constructing a building and looking for the lowest bid. You are dealing with people’s lives and I hope that as an elected official you can be compassionate,” resident Ryan Shell said.

Others encouraged the city to look at alternatives such as using an incinerator, an idea supported by Mayor Yvonne Johnson.

Councilwoman Goldie Wells made a motion, asking her fellow council members to reaffirm the vote to keep the landfill closed.

“It saddens me that we are even having this discussion. It opens wounds,” Wells said.

But other council members — even those who said they opposed reopening the landfill — said they wanted to keep their options open.

“There are lots of things that could be done,” Councilwoman Trudy Wade said. “If we never look, we never know. I want us to keep an open mind.”

Council members tabled the discussion.

In other action, the council members heard from more than a dozen residents who are worried about budget cuts to the public library system.

Greensboro’s libraries face $353,000 in cuts in this year’s city budget and a $400,000 shortfall from Guilford County’s proposed budget.

“We’re very grateful for the resources at the library,” said resident Donna Anderson, whose three children spoke about their love of the city libraries. “There are so many more who use the resources like we do.”

Councilman Zack Matheny encouraged residents to make the same appeal to the county commissioners, who may approve their budget Thursday.

 

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

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Council Insider

  • Notes from the City Council meeting.
  • Development plan abandoned: Typar Development has withdrawn its request to rezone property at South Elam Avenue and Spring Garden Road. The request and plans to construct a mixed-use building met with opposition — and a protest petition — from area residents.
  • Library decision delayed: The City Council has given the city staff another 30 days to reach a resolution with Family Dollar that will allow the city to build the new McGirt-Horton Library branch. The discount retailer must approve the library location, based on a stipulation of its lease with the city. Family Dollar officials want to build a store in the area, but they cannot agree with city leaders on a location.
  • Skate park could be built soon: City staff and local skate enthusiasts have identified park land near the Lewis Recreation Center where the city may use bond money to build a skate park, interim City Manager Bob Morgan told council members Tuesday night. The skate park is one of the projects Morgan will ask council members to consider pursuing while construction costs are low. Morgan said the park might be privately run. Some other recreation programs in the city already are privately run.

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Tommy

June 3, 2009 - 9:02 am EDT

It is my understanding the landfill could still be used for household waste in certain emergency situations, such as inclement weather, that would prevent trucks from traveling to the Uwharrie landfill. Please check this and find out if there are any other circumstances in which our landfill might be used fo household waste.

kaye

June 3, 2009 - 10:51 am EDT

Why don't you have them dump the household waste in your back yard!!!

rooster8786

June 3, 2009 - 9:35 am EDT

It seems to me that we should be happy that the REAL leaders of Greensboro had the forethought to know the prevailing weather patterns in Greensboro and go out to NE Greensboro and acquire enough land to sayisfy the citizens for years. Knowing land around a landfill if less desireable and that the landfill has been around for DECADES it seems a VERY SELFISH minority of people, who bought land in the area surrounding the landfill, want to penalize the rest of the community. If the current "leaders" had the testicles and backbone of their predecessors, there would be NO argument, the "leaders" need to do what is right and explore ALL options, analyze the cost benefit of each of the options, and do what is best for the overall community, not a vocal minority of the community.

truman

June 3, 2009 - 9:48 am EDT

I have a rather novel suggestion for Councilmembers Barber and Wade to explore: constructing "little landfills" in each of the city districts! And council members consider allowing emergency, overflow "district-households wastes" be dumped in council members' backyards!

truth

June 3, 2009 - 10:36 am EDT

Folks bought homes beside a landfill and then complained because there is a landfill near their house.

Reopen the landfill and let these people deal with it.

Seems a lot more fair than what they've done to people who bought homes in a certain school district only to have the districts changed and their home values plummet a year later.

buzzman

June 3, 2009 - 10:48 am EDT

truman - you're an idiot!
This is another case of the black community wanting more than their fair share. Of course, we had a few white folks speak at the council meeting, but most of them are carpetbaggers from up north who are down here to complain and stir up the blacks. They are the ones who have caused the decline of Greensboro. Folks used to be friendly and courteous - not any more, thanks to the carpetbaggers!
As is mentioned above, the White Street Landfill has been there for an awful long time. I haven't investigated it, but the landfill was probably there before most (if not all) of those houses were built. Folks went to that area because the land was cheap; they didn't seem to have a problem with it back then.
So, we have a few homeowners in that area who feel that their wishes are more important than the majority of the 250,000+ folks who live in this city. It's costing us BIG $$$$ to use the present method of disposal. But, they don't care!
And then we have the mayor, who shouldn't even be mayor of a car wash, Goldie, who is definitely a taco short of a combo plate and TDBS - BS says it all! We should all hope that those 3 individuals are no longer relevent after NOV. They have certainly played a major role in dragging this city down to the "dump."
We need new council persons who will act in the best interest of ALL the citizens of Greensboro - not just a few whiners!

kaye

June 3, 2009 - 10:58 am EDT

NO YOU'RE THE IDIOT! YOU HOODED SHEET WEARER, MAYBE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE THE NEXT SITE FOR A LAND FILL , AND YOU CAN BE BLESSED, WITH THE SNITCH, RODENTS, SNAKES, THAT THEY EXPERIENCED BEFORE IT'S CLOSING.

rooster8786

June 3, 2009 - 11:58 am EDT

kaye, you forgot to call him a racist while you were at it. You have just shown yourself to be the REAL self serving and selfish idiot.

milkman

June 3, 2009 - 11:00 pm EDT

Hey, the Osborn Waste Treatment Plant is located in the middle of a 100% white neighborhood. Talk about racist. Those homes where there before the sewage plant. REOPEN the landfill!!!!!!!!!

Rick

June 3, 2009 - 10:52 am EDT

Regardless of the outcome, the cost analysis should be public information. Mayor Johnson has no right to cherry-pick the information she wants published.

bbsmith2

June 3, 2009 - 10:59 am EDT

If the not closing the landfill costs us a 10 million a year it makes sense to use it. We could apply the savings to balance the budget. Once the crisis is over they could apply the savings to build an incinerator or another alternative. That way a bond would not have to used.

An extra 10 million a year will save the cuts to the library, fund some of the charities and help save jobs. Once the crisis is over with put the extra savings in a savings account and drawn interest on it. Once you have some money saved up use it to hire a firm that builds whatever alternative you want. After 5 years of savings you have 50 million plus whatever your compound interest collected. That should be a good start into funding a new alternative. Wouldn't cost the taxpayers any extra money and like the young lady from NJ mentioned might provide a source of income for our city.

I would think the bigger question would be why wasn't something like this done before? Once it was found out that we were losing money why wasn't the landfill re-opened and an alternative all ready saved for? We would have 60 million saved in the bank now. Chances are we would be close to building that alternative and have a little money saved to spare the library system and other things cut.

Gso Resident

June 3, 2009 - 11:32 am EDT

Any competent manager will have done, or will do a cost analysis of using the WSLF in light of the potential for $8 - $10 gal gas regardless of sentiments on the council.

This has to be used as a bargaining chip for the next hauling contract or temporary exit clause from it for fuel costs.

This will open the door to the costs of not using the WSLF. Then we can talk ?

doggedpursuit

June 3, 2009 - 11:41 am EDT

What is truly laughable is the idea that the City solving this problem by building a municipal solid waste incinerator is going to be EASIER. As much as "landfill" is a hot-button word, "incinerator" is an even bigger hot-button. From a technological standpoint it would certainly do the job and it could be built and operated in an environmentally friendly manner. But the ash from the incinerator would still have to be landfilled and the City would still have to answer the question "Where exactly are we going to build this new MSW incinerator?"...then, of course, you would not only have the nearby residents being impacted and raising hell, but you'd also have everybody downwind from the incinerator raising hell as well. Then of course, it would only be a matter of time before organizations like the Blue Ridge Environmental Defense League getting involved. I say that not to knock the environmental groups...they serve an important function as environmental watchdogs. But there are no EASY answers. As a professional in the environmental engineering field, I think either operating the White Street Landfill, transferring the waste to Montogomery County, or building a MSW incinerator would certainly solve the MSW disposal problem and could be done in an environmentally friendly manner, but I can tell you for certain that none of those 3 options will come cheap. As my father used to say "there ain't no FREE..." And as much as folks are going nuts about reopening the White Street Landfill, just sit back and watch how nutty they go when they hear that an MSW incinerator is being built their neighborhood. It will make this rancor over the potential reopening of the landfill sound like a Quaker meeting.

truman

June 3, 2009 - 1:42 pm EDT

buzz, "buzz off!" You racist buzz-ard!

truman

June 3, 2009 - 2:08 pm EDT

doggedpursuit: the clear solution to the "garbage problem" is for 250,000 (?) citizens to "share the problem!" As in "share the wealth!" Now this may be accomplished by locating a MSW incinerator in each of the city quadrants, north, south, east and west. And appoint Councilwoman Wade to monitor the incinerator in the south, and Councilman Barber to monitor the incinerator in the west! And since the east quadrant has suffered with problem so many years, no "household wastes" would be incinerated in that quadrant for at least 40 years! Problem solved!

truman

June 3, 2009 - 2:14 pm EDT

By the way, no "cost analysis" is necessary to accomplish my "garbage solution!" Just do it, whatever the price! I know, I know: citizens with "deep pockets" will have to pay the most! And that, my friends, is just how it should be!

buzzman

June 3, 2009 - 3:17 pm EDT

truman - Why are you going to locate a MSW incinerator in the east if "no "household wastes" would be incinerated in that quadrant for at least 40 years!?" By that time we'll be able to beam that garbage up to pluto or mars! Who's going to monitor the north incinerator?
buzz the racist buzz-ard buzzes off!

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