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Rerouting loop unlikely, state says

Friday, May 22, 2009
(Updated 5:43 am)

GREENSBORO — State highway officials met Thursday in Raleigh to consider whether they can do anything to divert Greensboro’s future Urban Loop from two neighborhoods built by the same developer on opposite ends of the city.

But prospects are bleak for avoiding either of Keystone Group’s developments, the Quail Oaks neighborhood of single-family homes near

U.S. 29 and Liberty Square town houses on Old Battleground Road.

A planned interchange near Quail Oaks doesn’t look as if it can be shortened or otherwise altered to avoid a number of newly built homes, said Mike Mills of the N.C. Department of Transportation.

Design standards are strict and precise for interchanges where freeways meet, he said. “These are two interstates.”

That part of the loop will be Interstate 840, and U.S. 29 is to be upgraded to Interstate 785.

The next section of the loop, from Burlington Road to U.S. 29, is tentatively set for construction in 2012.

At Liberty Square across town, highway engineers are stymied by the landscape near the new town house community, said Mills, who is DOT’s division engineer for a five-county region including Guilford.

A natural drainage way lies in the path of the loop’s original 1996 design, which went just north of Liberty Square, and DOT can’t build a road through that sort of terrain, Mills said. Engineers had to veer into Liberty Square to avoid it, he said.

Mills and Greensboro resident Doug Galyon, chairman of the State Board of Transportation, met Thursday with DOT staff from the roadway design, public affairs and human resources sections.

They reported on the session later Thursday at the monthly meeting of the Greensboro Metropolitan Planning Organization, the transportation planning agency for much of Guilford County.

“We’re going to have to re-look at our corridor maps (for the Urban Loop) and be sure we do a better job of communicating to the citizens,” Galyon said of efforts to prevent future loop conflicts.

City Councilwoman T. Dianne Bellamy-Small said developers and real estate agents also might do better at alerting home buyers about the loop, which eventually will span 44 miles and encircle the city.

“The question has to be asked: Did the developer know and, if so, did he have a responsibility to (inform) the Realtor?” Bellamy-Small said.

Some residents of Quail Oaks and Liberty Square said Keystone Group did not fully inform them of the loop’s potential for disruption.

But company President Scott Wallace said agents told prospective buyers about the loop’s existence and had them sign “disclosure statements” acknowledging they knew.

In earlier interviews, Wallace said his company was blindsided by revisions to the original loop plans that have caused the problems at both developments.

But a former Keystone manager at Liberty Square, Betsy Lamb, told the News & Record that she was instructed to remove an alert about the loop from sales packets given to prospective customers there. Keystone denies the allegation.

If full disclosure of the loop is a problem, Bellamy-Small said, the city may need to “tweak” its ordinances to require it.

The city is working on improvements to its Web site that will allow prospective home buyers to enter any street address and quickly see a map of its proximity to the loop, said Adam Fischer, the city’s acting transportation director.

Residents have complained of incessant noise along the loop’s most recently opened section in southwest Greensboro.

The city could make developers build “noise walls” to protect any new neighborhoods near future loop segments. But the technology is too iffy, said Councilman Robbie Perkins, MPO chairman.

Meanwhile, Mills said DOT planners are reviewing maps looking for any conflicts with developments along the unbuilt part of the loop from Burlington Road in east Greensboro to Bryan Boulevard on the west.

The loop is more than half complete with about 25 miles built so far. But the problem is, it will be “beyond 2015” before the rest is in place, Galyon said.

“And that,” he said, “is a long time away.”

 

Contact Taft Wireback at 373-7100 or taft.wireback@news-record.com

 

 

Accompanying Photos

Jerry Wolford (News & Record)

Photo Caption: Some Some Liberty Square residents say they did not learn about the loop until they were finalizing their purchase contract. The agent told them they had nothing to worry about.  

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teabag

May 22, 2009 - 10:24 am EDT

The people who bought at Liberty Square are MORONS! We sold our house in Regents Park back in 2000 because we knew then the loop was coming through and would be too close to our front door for our liking. We disclosed it in the sale of our home and the new buyers were well aware. I looked at condos with my parents the same year and we chose to stay away from any/all on Old Battleground because of where the loops was set to come through. There's no way these people couldn't have know. You should always check with the DOT before you buy a house or condo to be sure there isn't a freeway coming through.

But more importantly WHY in the world did the City of GSO allow that development to even be built?!? I drive by it every day and I can remember when they broke ground on it thinking "WHAT? Why are they building that only to tear it down for the loop?" The City Council of GSO is the most unreal I've ever seen. They will build anything, anywhere and it matters not if there's no infastructure to support it. The roads don't have to be adequate (Case in point - NEW GARDEN - btw Jefferson and Brassfield is a death trap that was to be widened 5 years ago!) the schools can be bursting at the seems, the water supply over taxed, a freeway coming through, whatever - they keep on building.

Illiterati

May 22, 2009 - 1:09 pm EDT

While I wholeheartedly agree that the buyer must perform his/her own due diligence before committing to purchasing a home, I wonder if our dependence on real estate agents/Realtors has kept us from being the best-informed and best-prepared consumers we could be. Many people buy only one or two homes in their lifetimes, so they rely on these so-called professionals to help them get through the process and warn them away from situations like Liberty Square. Maybe it's time to scrap the Realtor (with their absurd insistence on capping the R) in favor of being our own boss.

My attorney's office did way more due diligence (checked titles, investigated potential construction/development issues, etc.) than my Realtor, who basically just trotted me around the houses I found online myself. Heck, I can set up my own appointments and let my attorney do the rest. Next time, I'm going to try it on my own. If the process proves the worth of a Realtor, so be it, but it's time to take the reins and learn how to avoid these fiascoes ourselves.

Wally43

May 22, 2009 - 2:30 pm EDT

A good follow up article by Mr. Wireback telling us about the recent information from the NCDOT. Thanks you "Teabag" for your post that tells us that you knew about the loop 8 years ago. Now we hear from the DOT.......... "At Liberty Square across town, highway engineers are stymied by the landscape near the new town house community, said Mills, who is DOT’s division engineer for a five-county region including Guilford. A natural drainage way lies in the path of the loop’s original 1996 design, which went just north of Liberty Square, and DOT can’t build a road through that sort of terrain, Mills said. Engineers had to veer into Liberty Square to avoid it, he said."

My understanding is that the developer, Keystone Homes has tried to excuse the issue based on the DOT recently changing the plans of the loop's path. Now we hear in todays article that it was changed due to a drainage ditch. How much change was that? 50 feet? 50 yards?

Just drive on Cotswold from Lawndale to Old Battleground and it is easy to see how in the current path it is not wide enough to take on a 300 foot wide interstate path. Something has to give and it is not on the north side of Cotswold. It is on the south side of Cotswold where Liberty Square is situated.

Where is the "integrity in selling" with the developer who developed that tract?

nickvnc

May 27, 2009 - 5:23 pm EDT

We bought a house on Cotswold TERRACE not avenue last year and our realator did a good job of telling us the highway would be relatively close. Though where we are we are buffeted by Cottage place and the woods between Cotswold Avenue and Cottage place...plus the woods between our house and Cottage place. So I think we will be okay but if it is as loud as these people are saying in southern G-boro then it will probably affect us as well.

We are also bordered on the opposite side of the street by the Guilford Military park...I'm really surprised they are letting them build a highway with these possible noise issues this close to that historic park. No more peaceful walks in that park for anyone if it ends up being as loud as some fear. We love our neighborhood and proximity to the park I really hope we have enough buffer...

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