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Quail Oaks developer puts the blame on DOT

Sunday, May 17, 2009
(Updated 3:00 am)

— A local developer faced skeptical residents of the Quail Oaks neighborhood Saturday, assuring them he was blindsided when the Urban Loop was routed through their new subdivision and suggesting the road could change course again.

Keystone Group president Scott Wallace told about 50 people his company gave all buyers adequate notice the Urban Loop was planned for that part of northeast Greensboro, but it never knew until recently that an exit ramp redesigned in 2005 had targeted the four-year-old community.

“We did not know this highway had been redesigned from many years ago and, most likely, it has been redesigned many times before, and it’s possible it will be redesigned again,” Wallace said at the specially called neighborhood meeting. “What we understand is that this plan — contrary to what has been reported — is not a finalized plan. It is due to be finalized this summer.”

In fact, the latest plans for the ramp through Quail Oaks — expected to take out about 15 recently built homes — are final, said Mike Mills, the state Department of Transportation’s divisional engineer for Guilford and four other counties.

“As far as I know, they are final,” Mills said in a telephone interview after the 45-minute meeting. “That’s why we had that public workshop back in January. The thing in January was to say, 'Don’t forget this road is coming and here is the new ramp design.’ “

Homeowners remained polite through most of the meeting, but grew testy at times. A number asserted that Keystone sales representatives either did not tell them about the Loop or downplayed it as a potential threat.

Wallace assured them each and every Keystone customer signed a “disclosure” statement acknowledging they knew the Urban Loop would be coming through that part of the city.

“I believe that y’all know more than you are saying you know,” homeowner Lasonja Lane told Wallace. “I feel like the whole thing is a lack of integrity and I have a problem with that.”

Her remark was greeted with applause from the other residents, several of whom described Wallace’s comments as “crap” after the meeting.

Wallace and a business partner in the Quail Oaks project attended the DOT workshop in January. In an earlier interview, the Keystone president said he arrived late and left without a detailed understanding.

Quail Oaks sits at the end of the next section of the Urban Loop, tentatively planned for construction in 2012.

That segment will go from the Loop’s current end at Burlington Road in eastern Greensboro to the new interchange at U.S. 29 near Quail Oaks.

Keystone has been in the news lately because of the Quail Oaks controversy and because one of its townhouse developments in northwestern Greensboro, Liberty Square, also is in the path of a redesigned section of the Loop.

A former Keystone sales manager told the News & Record that Wallace had her remove an alert about the Loop from brochures given to potential customers at Liberty Square, adding that the company preferred to wait until later in the sales process to divulge the road. Wallace denies the allegation.

Wallace told the Quail Oaks crowd his company had acted with integrity, never lied to or misled anyone, but simply was left in the dark about the four-year-old ramp redesign by officials of both state DOT and the city.

“We’re in this together,” Wallace told the residents. “Nobody has reached out from DOT or the city of Greensboro at no time in this process to say to our community that the design of the Outer Loop has changed or (been) redesigned or any way affected any of our current property or home owners.”

The price of miscommunication will be high for taxpayers. In addition to buying houses and several vacant lots worth almost $2 million on tax rolls, DOT also must build Quail Oaks a new access road because the expanded exit ramp will take out part of the subdivision’s main street.

Quail Oaks resident Patricia McBride was among those who bluntly dismissed the Keystone presentation as worthless, especially claims that all buyers had been well informed of the Loop.

“Do you think we would have moved here? I mean, come on, how dumb are we?” said McBride

But residents also were critical of the government, saying local or state officials should have intervened.

“How do you give building permits to a company like that?” asked Chris Cositore, who bought his Quail Oaks home just five months ago.

“They shouldn’t have been allowed to build,” agreed his neighbor Cheryl Mabe, who moved into her new home in September.

As residents questioned Wallace in the meeting, a company attorney said they should redirect their energy to persuading public officials to reroute the Loop away from Quail Oaks.

“If they hear your anger, they may change the road,” said Gavin Reardon, the lawyer.

Never say never, DOT’s Mills said. But he said the DOT hopes this summer to start buying land for the next section of the Loop, including Quail Oaks, a fact that suggests a route all but set in concrete.

Contact Taft Wireback at 373-7100 or taft.wireback@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Jerry Wolford (News & Record)

Photo Caption: A sign in Quail Oaks.

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Norm*

May 17, 2009 - 8:26 am EDT

This is easy, follow the money. Money doesn't disappear, it changes hands. Those who lost money aren't criminals, they're victims. Those who made money are most likely guilty. Of course, with business accounting, they can siphon off the money, go bankrupt and reappear as something else. Just watch.

NRay

May 17, 2009 - 9:42 am EDT

Developers are careful about where they buy property on which to place improvements. If they make a mistake, they are unlikely to turn a profit on their project. Homeowners, you are being asked to believe the following: (1) that after Keystone searched for suitable property, (2) examined recorded documents regarding the title, (3) talked (extensively) to the local and state authorities regarding road access, water, sewer and zoning and (4) went through a lengthy processs to map and record its new development,that Keystone knew nothing of the finalized road plans when they sold you your properties. I also suspect the principals know by name, and probably had the telephone numbers of the relevant individuals at the county and DOT offices whose decisions affected their project. And they were, no doubt, possessed of every communications device known to modern man, from Blackberries on down, nearly instantly giving them access to current information. Now they are asking you to believe that they were as ignorant as you regarding DOT's plans? Please. Keystone's principals may watch and enjoy Fox news, but your circumstances represent reality.

wyricksells

May 17, 2009 - 11:15 am EDT

More of the same if you take a right on Pineneedle, cross the intersection and the houses under development at this minute are facing the same thing as Quail Oaks and all the others. Urban Loop will be coming thru their property as well.

Illiterati

May 17, 2009 - 11:39 am EDT

Any idea which developer's in charge of that one?

Big ups to Taft Wireback for reporting this series of stories. Next step is to find out which officials' pockets were and are still being filled to allow this stuff to go on. Considering homes are clearly still being built in the path of destruction, it shouldn't be too challenging to find the guilty parties. Of course, getting them to man up and face a few consequences, that's a whole 'nother thing...

Wally43

May 17, 2009 - 12:13 pm EDT

A good article by Mr Wireback. How much has the path moved from the original urban loop path in the Quail Oaks and Liberty Square area? Rather than take the word of the president of Keystone Homes about the changes made by the DOT, trust and verify the claims made by Keystone in their defense. Did the path move 2 miles, 5 miles or 100 yards from the DOT's original plans? The path is 300 feet wide (a football field from end zone to end zone). If the path only moved 100 yards to the north or a 100 yards to the south of the original plans then both Keystone developments were built knowing the homes would be in eye sight of the urban loop and would have the noise that goes with it. How easy is it to get the government to change their plans for the loop when the plans have already been made by the government agency? A pie in the sky remark by Keystone's attorney...."As residents questioned Wallace in the meeting, a company attorney said they should redirect their energy to persuading public officials to reroute the Loop away from Quail Oaks."

Norm*

May 17, 2009 - 5:09 pm EDT

Yes, good logic on who knew what. I also agree that this series of articles is excellent journalism. Have we heard an comment or action taken by the public officials? Anything pro-active? Are we waiting for the same compaints as voiced by the un and ill-informed property owners as on the southern loop? I think the true purpose of this kind of expose is to get all this aired before the loop gets built and the expenses get even farther out of hand. How about some roadsigns or billboards with pictures of the proposed loop? They have to be cheaper than buying people out and planting a bizzillion evergreens. . .

TubbyII

May 17, 2009 - 11:15 pm EDT

I just have a couple of questions, hopefully someone can give me some answers. I keep hearing about these homes that are affected by the loop will be purchased at tax payers expense. Who determines how much these people will be given for their homes? Will they be given exactly what they paid for the house, or will whatever balance is on the house be paid? Is it possible for a person to get less than what they paid for their home? Also, if someone put down a large down payment, will they receive that back as well?

jsipe29

May 18, 2009 - 8:39 am EDT

I have a question, did the city approve the buiding permits? Should they have known this was going to happen? Maybe they just needed the property tax for as long as they could get it.

jj1428

May 18, 2009 - 10:11 am EDT

Hey i am sorry to hear that DOT has slammed another neighborhood against the wall ... I owned and lived in Kings Mill sub division that got railroaded the same way by the DOT and devolper a couple of years. Actually the only consolation I have now is that when people were judging us about being stupid for building and investing in our home because we obviously knew of the urban loops path and should have investigated before we built and invested. We did investigate but were not giving the correct information by NCDOT or the Developer. Many people suggested that we got what we deserved and that NCDOT nor the Developer would ever change a path or change from 4 lane boulavard to a 8 lane thoroughfare, nor disclose the whole truth about a urban loop aka Major thoroughfare without the publics knowlegde. It appears that history is repeating itself with homeowners lack of knowledge of the thoroughfare, supplied by the NCDOT and or the developers. It really doesn't matter who they want to point fingers at the homeowners are the ones caught in the middle and paying for thier lack of disclosure. To the residents good luck and I definately wish you the best because trust me no matter who is bought out it will affect the whole neighborhood and not in a positive way. My family moved out of our home because of the quality of living that the thoroughfare and it's lasting effects presented our family. We knew the value of our home and location would never justify the amount of money we already had in the home and the future investments in our home would not give us a positive outcome later in our retirement years. By the way we are renting now because we are afraid to buy in NC because of the inability of anyone in NC to be held accountable for the unjust treatment of the citizens and property owners. We as well as all of you work very hard for our money and do and did not deserve to have our homes destroyed unknowlingly by the state that we pay our property taxes to! Good luck and I do hope the state will correct the unjust they have created to every homeowner in this state because of the "urban loop" aka thoroughfare!.

greywolf

May 23, 2009 - 10:11 pm EDT

Wow! Deceitful developers and realtors?!?!? Who would have thought it?!?!?

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