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N.C. House panel approves earlier school calendar

Monday, May 11, 2009
(Updated Tuesday, May 12 - 6:56 am)

RALEIGH — Legislation that would let North Carolina schools start the academic year two weeks earlier each August has cleared a state House committee.

The House Commerce Committee on Monday voted 14-10 to recommend the proposal to the full House, where a vote is likely this week.

The bill would allow public schools to open as early as Aug. 8. A 2004 law requires most schools to begin no earlier than Aug. 25 and end by June 10.

The tourism industry is fighting the change because it would cut into traditional summer vacations. Education groups say earlier start dates would allow for exams before the Christmas vacation.

The issue is one Guilford County Schools know all too well. Late winter storms left the school board with few options other than extending this school year until June 15.


The decision to do so even placed the school system at odds with the state, but the state later rescinded their objection.
 

Those problems were enough to get the issue on the school board’s legislative agenda, the board’s list of issues to lobby for with lawmakers in Raleigh.


“For local boards of education to have greater choice in determining the best time to start schools is their community is the right thing and I’m glad to see that happening,” said Amos Quick, vice chairman of the Guilford County school board.
 

School board member Paul Daniels agreed but noted that just because school boards could begin school on Aug. 8 doesn’t mean they would.
 

“We’d still need a lot of public input,” Daniels said. It isn’t about starting school earlier, he added, it’s about have a more flexible calendar.
 

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Norm*

May 11, 2009 - 4:00 pm EDT

Wouldn't it be cheaper not to air condition the schools in August? Waiting until the later dates could only save money. Closing during cold weather also makes sense. The argument about exams needs to be explained. It makes me wonder what the background is on all of this because it is unlikely to be related to student outcomes and it doesn't seem to be about saving money.

ymatlosz

May 12, 2009 - 12:56 pm EDT

Using this argument, it would be cheaper not to open schools at all. : )

EGParent

May 11, 2009 - 4:34 pm EDT

Based on EOC, EOG, AP exams...block schedules....it should be a decision that has no state control...
I would rather start earlier in august...complete exams on block schedules before Christmas break....
Start the second block earlier and wrap everything up by Memorial Day...nothing is accomplished after
EOC's, EOG's, and AP exams anyway....AP books have already been taken up in our classrooms...
Please explain to me why learning must end because exams have been taken and what they will be doing between now and June 11th.....The vacation break will begin at the end of may and still give the tourism industry two full months...but is that really the concern of our educators? June/July would be summer vacation....

Get A Clue

May 11, 2009 - 6:10 pm EDT

We will never get out of education more than we put into it.
We cut funding for education but protect that sacred cow called sports and then wonder why our children worship steroid-shooting 'professional' athletes.
We don't want to cut into summer vacation, or Christmas vacation, or Easter vacation and we need to be ready for snow days but how dare we hurt the deep pockets of the tourism industry but extending the year and increasing time in the classroom.
Some people seem more worried about the air conditioning bill than a better-educated population.
Get your priorities straight and the rest will logically follow.

jhurley

May 11, 2009 - 7:20 pm EDT

Let's talk about this issue! WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS IN A SHORTFALL BUDGET YEAR? If this bill passes, local school districts will waste valuable resources attempting to re-do the school calendar instead of focusing on the upcoming school year. I hope that if this bill passes, school districts will be smart enough to leave calendars alone that have already been approved for 2009-2010 and adjust accordingly for 2010-2011. It also may not matter, b/c there is a rumor that a 40 hour furlough is going to be passed and mandatory for all state employees. I bet many teachers would try and take them at the beginning of the year due to vacation plans that have already been made based on the current calendar.

eduguytoo

May 11, 2009 - 8:33 pm EDT

Currently there are some 14 bills pending in our legislature (and these are just ones filed for the CURRENT SESSION) to overturn, redefine or restrict the 2004 "School Calendar Law." Somebody convince me that the state's school boards and administrators (the ones who have twisted the arms of legislators to sponsor these bills) have their priorities straight. The emphasis should be on WHAT goes on in the classroom and not WHEN it occurs. Here are a few truths. Good teachers productively teach. Good students will learn. Good parents support good teachers and set education as a priority. Conversely, mediocre teachers collect a paycheck but rarely get forced out of the profession. Disruptive students get a disproportionate amount of resources and consideration yet prevent willing teachers and learners from succeeding. Slacker parents enjoy the idea and pleasure of propagation but have no concept of the commitment necessary to nurture a productive next generation.

As a former teacher, I'd like to say that I saw some positives out there; I don't. All of the priorities are screwed up. Collectively we're rearranging the deck chairs while Rome burns. I fully realize that I'm using a mixed metaphor, but honestly, there probably aren't too many of us who can even relate to those references because they don't show up on standardized tests. Heck, there probably even fewer who know what a metaphor is. My consolation is that if our family can weather two more years of public education for our child, that will be it. I'll then do that Pontius Pilate thing and wash my hands. Sorry, there's another reference, and that one is not only historical, but also religious.

I hate to have such a fatalistic attitude, but I do. And frankly, I'm tired of fighting with educational "experts" who continue to conduct experiments on our children and school systems only to say a few years later: "Oops, that didn't work." Somehow our previous generations succeeded in acquiring a decent, well-rounded education via "classical" pedagogical methods, mastery of basic subjects and within the framework of a school calendar that ran from Labor Day 'til early June. Somebody just musta been more smarter back then.

ymatlosz

May 12, 2009 - 12:55 pm EDT

I support this change.

Allowing each school district to have some leeway in their calendar would allow for them to schedule vacation days around local events that also bring tourism money to North Carolina. Our family would love to attend the State Fair during the week when crowds are managable, but school has always conflicted. Likewise, I would imagine the ski resorts would benefit from more vacation days in the winter. Our state has so many year-round attractions that it is a shame to limit the majority of vacation days to summer.

From a purely self-serving standpoint, I'd rather my child be in school in August when it is too hot to do much else. Those days are wasted vacation days in my opinion -- it's just too darn hot to do anything outside.

eduguytoo

May 13, 2009 - 12:07 am EDT

Ah, you ascribe common sense and logic to the school boards...and that's a mistake. What makes you think they'd take into consideration when the State Fair is going on to plan for days off? And ski vacation? They're definitely NOT meteorologists! Heck, they cancel school if there's just the suggestion of a snowflake. Everyone should take a look at the myriad bills that have been filed. Some potentially add days at the beginning of the year. Some potentially add days at the end of the year. [Note that I say "potentially" because the law changes would just give them the "right" to begin earlier and end later...of course, they would not do that! Yeah, right.] Some bills add in five more teacher workdays (moving from the current 15 back to 20 where it was a few years ago). Some want to remove protection of workdays so that local boards can encumber more teacher time with mind-numbing "development" exercises. Some want to set school calendars that would put kindergartners back in the classroom in early August because of a small number of "dual enrollment" students in community colleges. I've never understood what prevents these dual enrollers from starting the community college classes when other non-high school students do and then beginning high school classes when they begin. But then, some folks have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time.

BandMom

May 18, 2009 - 12:32 pm EDT

Here we go again with the calendar. I vote we allow the local school boards the freedom to set the school calendar. I believe that teachers and parents should be consulted about the calendar. I've complained about our local calendar a couple of times only to be told that the state puts so many restrictions on the calendar that the local school board has few options. Our experience has been that very little teaching goes on after mid May once the EOGs and EOCs are taken.

Administrators are just like CEOs they are too out of touch with reality to make responsible decisions. Let the ones in the trenches who know what's going on have a loud voice in the calendar decision. Do we really need all of these teacher work days? I'm all for building in extra days so that teachers don't have to take so much work home. However the teachers tell us that they still have to take work home because the teacher work days are filled with wasted seminars and meetings.

We are in a budget crisis so these times call for some creative solutions. Why don't we cut the instruction days down to 175 or lengthen the school days by 15 or 20 minutes and eliminate a few days? Are we really going to lose that much of valuable instruction time by shortening the calendar? I do like the idea of finishing up the first semester before the Christmas holidays as it makes for a clean break. With the current calendar where students return after Christmas to face the exams, teachers spend alot of time reviewing for the tests resulting in wasted instruction time. By this I mean that the students are not learning new material but rehashing the old material.

I also believe that each school system should be allowed 3 weather grace days. In other words, each system can miss up to 3 days without any need of making up those days. Again, are the test scores really going to suffer?

Speaking of test scores, I feel that the entire system should be revamped. The teachers are having to teach for the tests while omitting some basic skills. My children have been on the college bound trek and did not have time in their school schedules to learn some basic life skills such as: balancing your checkbook, learning how to budget, job hunting skills etc. We are teaching these principles are home but what about the famililes where this is not the case? Where are children going to learn these skills?

What about the Senior Project? Let's just add some more busy work onto the seniors. Is this project really going to prove what students have learned? Why not, have students complete so many hours of community service and then write a paper about the experience? This would be a win-win because the students would learn about the joy of helping others, the organizations would benefit, and the students would benefit from writing about the experience. Another idea: Why not have the students take a test to measure the basic life skills (checkbook balancing, budgeting, resume writing, etc.) so that they are prepared for life once they graduate?

Back to the topic at hand: For once, I would like to see at the local level a group of respected teachers (new and seasoned) and involved parents sit down with few state rules and come up with a calendar that would work for their area. I realize you can't please everyone but I do believe that a practical working solution could be arrived at and in the end the main goal would be reached: a school calendar which promotes learning while also maximizing resources.

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