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Teachers can't skip classroom days for furloughs

Friday, May 1, 2009
(Updated 3:55 pm)

RALEIGH (AP) — North Carolina teachers won't be able to skip teaching days to take the furloughs ordered by the governor, state officials say.

Members of the state Board of Education will be asked to approve the policy next week, The News & Observer of Raleigh reported today.

Philip Price, the state school system's chief financial officer, said he will recommend that the furloughs be taken on work days when students are not in school.

Gov. Bev Perdue has ordered 10-hour furloughs for state employees, including teachers, and pay cuts of half a percent to help make up the state budget deficit.

Furloughs must be taken between June 1 and Dec. 31; paychecks will be cut in May and June, when the fiscal year ends.

Vanessa Jeter, spokeswoman for the state Department of Public Instruction, said teachers can't take time off during teaching days because the school would have to hire substitutes. In addition to teaching days, teachers have days for administrative work or professional development.

"I'm sure we'll have to be flexible when people take their time off," said Erin Kershner, principal of Wiley Elementary School in Raleigh.

Jennifer Lanane, president of the Wake County chapter of the N.C. Association of Educators, said teachers are so busy they can't afford to take the 10 hours off and do all their work.

Lanane said she has been deluged with questions from the group's 5,000 members about when they can take the time off.

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Panacea

May 1, 2009 - 8:39 am EDT

Oh, who are we kidding here. The rules will be so stringent, no one will get to take those 10 hours.

Let's just call it what it is: a pay cut.

JustMy2Cents

May 1, 2009 - 9:08 am EDT

Of course not! Then they would have to pay for a sub! By the time they take all the state mandated work days and the district mandated workdays, there won't be ANY days that we can use them! So it will be even MORE time that we work for free!!! Jack up our insurance and make us work for free. . . that's what makes people want to teach in NC! yeah, right!

igliigli

May 1, 2009 - 9:46 am EDT

Look at the many, many thousands of taxpayer money spend on fluff like sports and band.
Cut those first before cutting the teachers' pay.

kisler

May 1, 2009 - 10:36 am EDT

sports and band? what about all those useless EOG's that students have to take every year? Most of them don't even count and yet the state pays millions for students to take them. Cut those and the state could probably balance the budget without this pay cut.

JustMy2Cents

May 1, 2009 - 11:10 am EDT

Amen to that! Cut all these useless tests that take away from REAL educational experiences!! I can go for that!!!

jrburcham

May 1, 2009 - 12:46 pm EDT

High School Football pays for most of the other sports cost, so that is not an expense. Most Bands do fund raisers for expenses. In a side note; The game of football is a better teacher of young men than any class room learning will ever give them, sure some take advantage, but the lessons learned when 11 young men work together for one goal can not be put into words.

Beachwalk

May 1, 2009 - 2:26 pm EDT

"The game of football is a better teacher of young men than any class room learning will ever give them..."

It is obvious you were educated on a football field and not in a classroom.
That is the most ridiculous statement I have seen in a very long time.
Some schools do not even have football teams and their students do quit well without football, thank you. And the proof that your statement is totally ridiculous is: just look at the NFL. Most of the league is made up of nothing but a bunch of gangsters and hoodlums. And I would dare say their problem is they spent TOO MUCH time on the football field and not enough time in the classroom.

Tomcat2009

May 2, 2009 - 9:09 am EDT

YOu have got to be kidding !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

prekellie

May 2, 2009 - 12:22 pm EDT

YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT IF THINK SPORTS AND BAND ARE FLUFF! THESE ACTIVITIES ARE PART OF A WELL ROUNDED EDUCATION FOR A LOT OF CHILDREN, INCLUDING MYSELF AND MY OWN CHILDREN. THEY LEARN HOW TO BE A PART OF A TEAM, GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP, COOPERATION, AND OTHER SKILLS THAT LEAD THEM TO HAVE A GREAT FUTURE. YOU APPARENTLY HAVE LED A SHELTERED LIFE. GO TO A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME SOMETIME AND WATCH THE TEAM AND THE BAND! THERE ARE FRIENDSHIPS THERE LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN. THERE ARE SOCIAL SKILLS BEING BUILT. THERE IS RESPECT BEING BUILT. OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T HAVE THESE THINGS.

Gray

May 2, 2009 - 1:12 pm EDT

I take it that sports and band don't provide lessons on how to turn off the caps lock.

Oh well

May 4, 2009 - 4:03 pm EDT

Why are you so angry. Maybe if we saw some team work,social skills, good work habits and respect in the classroom from these students we would believe this. The proof is no longer in the pudding.

jrburcham

May 1, 2009 - 11:05 am EDT

People elect the same 'ole junk over and over, now why would you expect anything different. Just like Guilford count, the state education system is a joke.

woodfactor

May 1, 2009 - 12:15 pm EDT

According to the federal government, most states require a 180-day school year. Kansas has the longest year with 186 days. Colorado has the shortest with 160 days. So here’s a thought.

In our school district, the last day of school is a half day. Wow. Do you think there’s a lot of academic learning going on during that half day of school? (I won’t argue that there is social learning happening!) Why not save the school bus fuel, cooling and lights energy, water usage and faculty/staff salaries and end our school year with 179 instructional days?

Okay, Okay – so then day number 179 turns into the “class party/awards recognition day.” So what? Ask any parent. The last few days of school are packed with busy worksheets, coloring sheets, games, movies, etc. . . . A.K.A. “time fillers” because the children (and maybe some of the teachers) are more focused on “summertime” than learning. (I’d HATE to be a teacher the last few days of school!)

Okay. Another “negative” to trimming this year’s school calendar to 179 days – the evil media spin. “NC doesn’t value education . . . cancels last day of school”. Big flipping deal. Who’s listening to these pundits anyway!

Would trimming the school calendar by one day take a piece of legislation or just an executive order?

eduguytoo

May 1, 2009 - 3:23 pm EDT

This year, 13 bills have been filed in the NC General Assembly (so far) at the behest of Local Education Administrations (LEAs) to allow change in the school calendar law passed in 2004. What these changes would allow is for local school boards to begin school earlier (most allow for a start in the first week of August) and go through mid June. The same 180 attendance days, but over a longer period of time. From a fiscal standpoint, this makes no sense. NC hasn't done it, but some other Southern states have recently commissioned independent studies to see what sort of impact such school calendars have on costs. The results? In Alabama, which I don't especially consider to be a prime vacation spot...not nearly as much as NC, the figures are telling. A report, authored by Auburn University at Montgomery economics professor Keivan Deravi, says the negative economic impact figures amount to $26 million A DAY for each public school day scheduled in the month of August! This figure includes employment earning loss for students, teachers and staff, school operation costs (including utility costs) and the loss to Alabama's tourism industry. And profits to any "industry," tourism and otherwise, amounts to tax dollars that do what?....help fund public education. It's a sword cutting two ways.

My point is this...there are lots of ways to save money, and one of them is to NOT mess around with the school calendar as it now exists. But having operational funds is something public schools have always taken for granted.

kpl09

May 1, 2009 - 1:50 pm EDT

What about the teachers and staff who are retiring or losing their jobs next year? There is only one more workday at the end of school and that would only be 8 hours anyway.

snowman

May 1, 2009 - 2:09 pm EDT

I agree with everyone on cutting out the EOG test. This is the biggest waste of money. My son is doing nothing in school now except prepping for the EOG's. He is an Honor student, but the pressure of these test just blows his mind and 9 times out of 10 he does bad on these test. He is in the 8th grade and this is one of those years that if doesn't pass the EOG they will hold him back even with his normal grades being A's and B's. But one way to save money with the school system putting so much focus on the EOG's is to cut encore classes in middle school. These classes do not mean anything, they are just prep classes for High School. We need to go back to the basic learning material. Reading, Math, English, Science, Social Studies, Health/PE. Go to a 4 day week, this would save money all around the system. Most companies are now on the 4 day system to save money. We are just blessed with a bunch of educated idiots in Guilford County and the State. North Carolina cannot get anymore backwards.

Oh well

May 4, 2009 - 4:12 pm EDT

I totally agree with the four day week: and also getting back to basics. Add 30 minutes to the beginning and 30 minutes to the end of each school day and have a three day wekend. Teach hard and strong for four days and everyone relax and save tons of money on fuel and transportation. Also you would save on heating and cooling the schools

Breck

May 1, 2009 - 3:43 pm EDT

I thought the work days were important for the teachers to be prepared for the students. No you're thinking that the days don't matter much and you want to do away with them? I just believe that the State should balance the budget and move on. Taking from their employees paychecks is not where you do it. If you need the positions keep them, if you don't get rid of them. But don't steal from your employees.

ravencottage

May 1, 2009 - 5:58 pm EDT

Just wondering how many teachers voted for Perdue? 95%? 98%? 99%? 100%?

kasrox

May 4, 2009 - 10:10 pm EDT

Not me! What happened to the days when teaching was the "safe" job? Our classroom size gets smaller (trailers) and to add to that the number of students in our room increase (28+). It is outragous! And to show how much the state cares they decide to cut our pay, make us work for free, and pressure us more to make our students preform well on state tests. Need I mention the purpose of the test is to trick the students into picking the wrong answer! Of all the salaries to cut, why not cut the people who already make the least amount of money? I just pray that the Lord returns soon....... I need a vacation.

ncnole

May 1, 2009 - 9:55 pm EDT

This is complete BS. The one's making this decision know that we (teachers) can't afford to take planning days off and get our required work done. We are told time and time again that we are on salary and are expected to come early and stay late in order to fulfill the requirements of our contract. Most of us don't have a problem with that. We tutor students before and after school without pay. We attend staff meetings, beyond the school day. We attend numerous student activities and functions without pay. We take work home. Many schools allow teachers to accumulate what is the equivalent of comp time for all the extra time we put in without pay. I alone lose over 40 hours of comp time a year that I can't use. What the hell does an extra 10 hours of time off mean to me.
And what a lot of people don't realize is that this school year, the state decided not to allow teachers to elect to be paid in 12 monthly installments. So, we have had to save all year for the summer months. My wife and I both teach so we are not going to receive $500 right before the summer begins.
Bev Perdue ran and was elected on the platform that she was in the teacher's corner. I am a conservative leaning Libertarian, and I voted for her. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. It won't happen again. I will do everything within my power to work against her reelection, and I know she has completely lost the confidence of every teacher that I have talked to about this situation. The teachers in this state will not forget.

passured

May 2, 2009 - 3:05 am EDT

Everyone is talking about teachers losing pay,let's don't forget about the people who work in the cafeteria, custodians, office workers, teacher assistants etc. These are the people who cannot afford to take any kind of pay cuts. In the next month most of these employees will have a reduction in pay and some are single parent households or have a spouse that's been laid off. I'm afraid this isn't the end, if Gov. Perdue is cutting salaries now, she may do it again. I'm sorry I voted for her..........

horselady09

May 2, 2009 - 8:26 am EDT

What happened to the NC Lottery Money? Our Lady Governor has taken it upon herself to use as SHE sees fit. My understanding that it was to be used for EDUCATION not for getting the state out of a hole.
The last 2 weeks of school to me is a BABYSITTER. I have 3 grown children,that graduated and know from past experience, they don't do anything worth while. Watching movies,coloring,etc can be done at home. Teachers are not baby-sitters! They(the teachers) have spent enough time with these kids to know if they are ready to move on to the next level, 2 weeks is not going to make or break any of these kids.
I know times have changed, but a lot of the learning starts at HOME. With a lot of parents being laid off their jobs,they need to step up to the plate and do their part,again these underpaid teachers are not BABYSITTERS!
We(the older generation) made it not having all the teacher workdays, Spring Break, and all the extra holidays they have now, and didn't start school until after LaborDay and were out by the last of May. And oh yea, we went to school on Saturdays if days were missed because of SNOW, none of us actually died from having to go on Saturday.
Lets get our priorities together and get THIS Governor out of office as soon as we can

tiredbluedog

May 2, 2009 - 8:41 am EDT

How about cutting June 15th as a student day. They are not going to do a thing that day. It is a waist of gas to bus all of the Guilford County students to school for nothing. That money could go towards teachers pay. And I am not a teacher. I am a parent that wants the teacher to enjoy her job so my child gets a good education

jhurley

May 2, 2009 - 4:49 pm EDT

I know I won't be popular, but instead of cutting teacher pay, why not look at the required 180 student days? In Michigan, they changed it from required days to required teaching hours. They start usually after labor day or at least late Aug. and are out by Memorial day or early June at the latest and the students get just as much instruction, just in less days. Think of the money that would be saved on lunches, school buses and power alone! Just a thought!

ncnole

May 2, 2009 - 6:23 pm EDT

I am a teacher in Guilford County. I have talked to colleagues for years about the benefits of going to a four day school week for high school and middle school. It would save a tremendous amount in transportation and other costs, and would shorten the school year because teachers would not need any planning days, because every Monday or Friday could be designated as a work day that could be used for planning, tutoring, conferences or whatever. The school day would start at 7:30 and go until about 4. These days could also be used for make up days so that the school year would not have to be lengthened. Teachers would already be at work so what would it matter to us. But, my suggestion is based upon common sense, and most school boards don't use the brain that God gave them. They have to seek the advice of professionals who most often have consulted some obscure study or have an agenda to advance.

Oh well

May 4, 2009 - 4:19 pm EDT

Can someone on the board explain to me why we can"t have a four day week. How many teachers can honestly sya I work 8 hours a Day. At least we could have one day of reast!!!!

philandstacey

May 5, 2009 - 7:35 am EDT

First of all, let's recognize that all educators are not Democrats. We may believe in public education, but we know better than to believe that every Democrat in office is truly going to support us...Perdue's furlough plan as case in point. Secondly, no truly dedicated salaried employee cares about hourly compensation. Thanks for the effort, but when will I use that time? Maybe on a snow day? Ha! Those don't generally come up until after January...and my time is to be used by December?!
Has the government considered forgiving the snow days? What about creating more early-release days (days before breaks, the last day of school...)?
And what is Guilford County going to do to cut its budget? I see my local supplement disappearing with the .5% of my salary...I certainly didn't come to teaching for the money, please help us protect the little that we do make.

rothros

May 5, 2009 - 2:46 pm EDT

I do not undestand why state employees are the ones responsible for balancing the budget becuase our wonderful elected officials can't manage our money. Why would anyone want to put the future of our children at risk? Let's take away free immunizations for our children and let them take their chances on not getting sick. I just don't understand

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