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High school recruiting rumors hard to prove

Sunday, April 26, 2009
(Updated 6:32 am)

GREENSBORO — In the summer of 2008, Dudley basketball coach David Price walked into the gym at Northern Guilford High and grabbed a seat for a basketball jamboree the school was hosting.

But he didn’t grab just any seat — it was the one right next to Louis Lawson, whose son, Jacob, plays for Northern Guilford’s basketball team.

As Lawson recalled the encounter, Price spent the next several minutes trying to persuade him that Jacob, one of the state’s best basketball players, should transfer to Dudley. Price even flashed a state championship ring he was wearing, telling Lawson that Jacob could someday sport a similar ring if he played for Dudley.

That conversation, which lasted only a few minutes, amounted to recruiting, said Northern basketball coach Stan Kowalewski, who, along with Northern athletic director Derrell Force, filed a complaint with Guilford County Schools.

On the surface, Northern’s case seemed compelling; school officials even included an affidavit from Louis Lawson attesting to Price’s overtures.

But like so many recruiting allegations before it, nothing ever came of Northern’s complaint. Northern officials never even heard back from the school system, according to Kowalewski.

“It’s just so frustrating,” Kowalewski said last week. “Even when you think you’ve got enough evidence, it never seems to stick. It’s always your word against theirs and (the complainant) never wins.”

Recruiting has always provoked a swirl of whispers and rumors in Guilford County, but that volume has increased in recent years. Two weeks ago it reached a crescendo when Guilford County Schools announced it was investigating student eligibility at Northern Guilford.

Sources knowledgeable of the probe say investigators are focusing on whether roughly two dozen students within the football, baseball and boys basketball programs are academically eligible and live within Northern’s district.

Investigators are also trying to determine if any coaches or supporters participated in recruiting those students, a violation of N.C. High School Athletic Association rules.

But if last year’s allegations against Price, who declined to comment last week, and similar complaints of recruiting through the years prove anything, it’s that investigators have their work cut out for them.

That’s because Guilford County rarely disciplines a coach or school for recruiting. Longtime coaches and athletics directors, both active and retired, can’t recall the last time the school system disciplined a coach or school for recruiting.

It’s not just Guilford County that seems to have a hard time proving recruiting violations. In her 19 years at the N.C. High School Athletic Association, deputy executive director Que Tucker is unaware of a single coach or school being formally reprimanded.

“That doesn’t mean (recruiting’s) not going on,” Tucker said. “But the burden of proof is certainly on the accuser, as it should be. People perceive (recruiting) as something that’s clear-cut and easy to prove. It’s just the opposite.”

Interviews with more than a dozen state and local athletics officials indicate roughly 20 formal recruiting complaints are submitted in North Carolina each year. Many of those complaints prove to be unfounded, but high school athletics officials say just as many are forgotten because school systems lack the time and resources to conduct thorough investigations.

Guilford County Schools athletics director Leigh Hebbard declined to comment last week on the issue of recruiting in light of the ongoing investigation at Northern.

Herb Goins, the school system’s athletics director for 12 years before retiring last fall, said he did his best to look into the two or three recruiting complaints he received each year.

“But that job is not set up to be an investigative one,” he said. “When you finish with everything else, you try to devote as much time as possible to someone’s complaint. That’s not always possible. And when you get down to it, it’s almost always, always going to be one person’s word against another. So then what do you do?”

Goins said he did not recall receiving Northern’s recruiting complaint against Price.

The state’s athletics association prohibits coaches from initiating any form of contact with a prospective high school athlete, visiting or entertaining the student, or implying that a high school’s athletics program is superior to any other school through verbal, written or visual presentations.

But the association does not police the rule, said Tucker. That’s the job of local school systems.

The closest a Guilford County coach has come to being disciplined for recruiting came in 2004 when the NCHSAA placed former High Point Central girls basketball coach Kenny Carter on probation.

Carter, accused of recruiting several players to play for the Bison, appealed the decision and was cleared.

Goins said the case is a textbook example of how hard it is to determine if a coach is recruiting. Goins said Carter met with parents at his home and answered their questions about High Point Central. “He didn’t try to persuade anyone to come there,” said Goins. “He just answered their questions. Is that recruiting? Some might think it is and others would disagree.”

The state association has disciplined one program for recruiting. In 2003, the association suspended a Pender County assistant football coach for one year and placed the head coach on probation for a year.

Just how pervasive recruiting has become is debatable in athletics circles. Ragsdale football coach Tommy Norwood said he doesn’t believe recruiting is as rampant as it’s made out to be. “If other coaches are like me, I’ve got a hard enough time trying to convince kids at my own school to come out for the team,” he said. “I don’t have time to look somewhere else.”

Norwood said the Internet, specifically sports blogs, only fuels recruiting rumors. “Every time you turn around someone anonymous is accusing a school or coach. People are paying a whole lot of attention to the Internet when really it’s opinion and not fact they’re reading.”

Page athletics director Rusty Lee said there have always been families willing to “shop their kids around so, yeah, you might get a coach who will listen,” he said.

“If schools are watching over their own programs and make sure their coaches know the rules and that students’ paperwork is in order, you shouldn’t have as many problems. It’s that easy.”

Lee made his remarks on Thursday. The next day, Page was found to have used an ineligible football player during the 2008 season. Proof that, like trying to discipline for recruiting, nothing is ever easy.

 

Contact Robert Bell at 373-7055 or robert.bell@news-record.com 

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Photo Caption: Northern Guilford High School

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justaguy46

April 26, 2009 - 7:01 am EDT

The person who really ends up paying the bill for being awarded a degree or a passing grade they did not earn because they are needed on the playing field to win bets and suppliment income with tax-free gambling money is the student. When that student is on the job their unearned degree has supposedly trained them for and does not have the expeced skills that come along with the degree, they will lose their job to someone who does have the skills expected. The proof is in the pudding, a person can have a piece of paper that represents their knowledge, but if they don't have the skills the Exit door is in their path.

whatcanIsay

April 26, 2009 - 8:05 am EDT

justaguy46, what you say is somewhat true. But just because you are passed or even are GIVEN a degree, it is up to the person that is hiring you to determine if you have the skills needed to do the job you are hired for. I have not seen people given a job just for having a diploma or BS.

The football draft should show you that the last couple of days. Just because you play BIG TIME football and start and even make some All-Conference teams, do not automatically put you in the NFL. This is what the parents need to learn.

DaveW

April 26, 2009 - 8:41 am EDT

This article is expository but not enough to prove anything.Dudley has been recruiting for years. Northern called them out for it over one of their recruited players. Nothing was done. Northern felt it was ok to outrecruit Dudley. They did and got caught. That is the only difference between two dishonest athletic programs. Northern got caught and Dudley didn't. Every high school in the state should refuse to play either of these schools in non conference football or basketball games until they clean up thier acts.

Robert Bell

April 26, 2009 - 9:11 am EDT

DaveW, I disagree that the story doesn't prove anything. Then again, I guess that depends on what you believe the story is trying to prove. It's certainly not trying to prove that Dudley violated the NCHSAA's recruiting rules. That was never my intent. My intent is to show that anyone can -- and does -- cry recruiting (around here we have turned that cry into an art form). Proving those allegations has been somewhat trickier. If so many schools are recruiting, as everyone seems to think, then clearly the current system for enforcement is failing. Obviously we need to educate the coaches and boosters better. But maybe we need to examine the system that seems to allow it to go on as well.

DaveW

April 26, 2009 - 10:17 am EDT

Robert-- The article was informative and I am sure that being the competent reporter that you are if you found any concrete proof you would print that as well. I have nothing but positive things to say about your writing here at The News-Record so please keep it up especially on this issue. I care a great deal about high school athletics and I desire to see ALL of our Guilford County Schools compete honestly.It is common knowlege among teenage athletes around here that many schools recruit(especially the two mentioned in your article).Bottom line --the kids know what is going on. How much they decide to tell the responsible adults remains to be seen.You've worked hard on researching this issue so if the right person tells the whole story you deserve to cover it.

lamont

April 26, 2009 - 1:32 pm EDT

Robert,
IMO, the begining of your article read like the statements regarding Coach Price were absolute truth. I felt like it should have been more clear that the statements were not true and were made up by a man who just lost his job and another man who is on the verge of losing his job over this situation. I think these 2 men will do anything to get the attention off of themselves and try to make it seem like everyone else is doing it too. I thought you could have made Herb Goins (former county AD) statement closer to Stan and Lawson statement. Goins said he recieved 2-3 complaints every year, I'm sure he would have recalled Stan's complaint last summer about Coach Price if Stan really made one. Robert, it just seemed to me like you want to drag other schools into this when you should probably just focus on the one that is being investigated.

dcolin

April 26, 2009 - 11:55 pm EDT

They fired Mr. Lawson the Janitor. They actually fired the Janitor over this. They interrogated him and fired him.
These people have no shame. A $23,000 a year Janitor who is trying to improve his kids lot in life and they fired him.
For what? I have no idea.

Robert Bell

April 27, 2009 - 5:46 pm EDT

Lamont, thanks for your note. It certainly wasn't my intent to drag any coach or school into this story. You said I should have made it clear that Mr. Kowalewski's statements were not true. How do you know they are false? For the record, I don't know if they're true or not. I asked Mr. Price and Mr. Goins about the complaint to try and determine just that. The former declined to comment, the latter didn't deny that a complaint had been filed. He said he couldn't recall one. I agree: It seems odd that Mr. Goins couldn't recall a complaint filed less than a year ago, but I'll leave that to you and others to figure out why. The point of the story was to show that recruiting allegations are tossed carelessly in Guilford County. Some are without merit; some have some weight behind them. But nearly all of them end up without any disciplinary action. Hope that helps.

whatcanIsay

April 26, 2009 - 11:30 am EDT

Why should other programs refuse to play them, when this is common among MANY programs. When you talking about Greensboro, Charlotte, Winston and Raleigh and now some of the smaller counties. It is very common for a parent to recruit the school and a coach to be at a AAU game or Pop Warner game or even in the Barber Shop and tell a kid what their program can do for them. I was told in 1983, that I was a good player, but could be better at the cross town school. I hate to say it, but it is what it is.

We are in a society that parents are going to do what it takes to make thier kid a top recruit or just the best in the city. And if your program is not getting kids into colleges, or playing in the playoff or have a chance to win states, then they will go somewhere else.

DaveW

April 26, 2009 - 1:04 pm EDT

And many programs do not get to succeed due to the fact that the players that attend their feeder schools leave before the honest coach (who is often also a faculty member and is a competent coach) never gets to work with the best players who still live in his or her district but attend elsewhere. Most established teachers do not want to move from school to school just to coach a better chance to win. Remember they are in school for about 7 hours and are at practice for 2-3. The teaching salary pays much more than the coaching supplement.Again, most will not leave a good teaching situation for a bit better coaching situation.

gcs_scandals

April 26, 2009 - 2:17 pm EDT

It is true that we don't know if the story Mr. Lawson told was true. I do know that I personally have heard several similiar stories of Coach Price at Dudley. Recruiting is recruiting and it will go on. Just don't do it if you are building from scratch. Cause when you come out of the gate and beat the Kings of Recruiting, you are going to pay the Price.

DaveW

April 26, 2009 - 10:27 pm EDT

To GCS_scandals-----------You hit the nail right on the head. Great post. I would pay a large Price to shake your hand.

GoOs

April 26, 2009 - 8:30 pm EDT

This all has the appearance of a smokescreen to hide the fact that the Regionalization Plan isn't based on sound educational or financial decision-making. The school board and local media are now focused on an issue (recruiting) that has ALWAYS been around and not on whether or not the Regionalization Plan will lead improved student learning.

dcolin

April 26, 2009 - 9:40 pm EDT

"Student Learning" Come on there is basketball to be played.

ankersaway

April 26, 2009 - 10:54 pm EDT

Maybe GCS should check into the middle school at Northern...the football team went 7-0 and the baseball team has 1 loss...........

nighthawk1

April 27, 2009 - 7:32 am EDT

You are CRAZY!!! That school/team was put together from boys at northwest and northeast who were REDISTRICTED!!!! I said to a friend, watch someone say something about the football team at the middle school going undefeated and here you are! Such ignorance! Go check it out for yourself! Oh! And guess what?!? Some of those boys are probably going to play football at the high school! Aaaaahhh! And guess what, they can play!

ankersaway

April 27, 2009 - 7:40 am EDT

Nighthawak1........my apologies for my sarcasm. I am from Northern and just fed up with all this as the rest of us. My comment was posted as I was surprised nobody had mentioned it yet. Yes, those kids can outright play......

football-lover

April 27, 2009 - 7:51 am EDT

You must really be crazy. That middle school team was good because the kids have the will to win. Coach Hawkins, Coach Jessup and Coach Shaffer not only taught those kids the game of football they also made them believe losing was not an option. You think they are good now. Wait until they get in the wieght room and develop into young men. Football may take its hits now, but what will you say in two years when Northern is right back on top.

nighthawk1

April 27, 2009 - 8:48 pm EDT

You got it football lover!! Those coaches took the raw talent put in front of them and made them a team ! I cannot agree more! Meet you at the Hawks nest in 2 years ! And sorry to ankersaway, I was just waiting for the comment just like you !

thePoint

April 27, 2009 - 10:04 am EDT

Please know that there are ACADEMIES set up at most of the High schools -Grimsley, Smith, and Dudley and don't forget the middle colleges. These were set up to attract students from different districts to help with TEST SCORES if the athletic program benefits why do we cry Illegal Recruiting.

When the principal and the AD resign what does that say about the Northern basketball championship?

DO YOU KNOW: How many of Coach Price's former students went to college vs. Coach Stan? Who is the real Coach?

america

April 27, 2009 - 5:24 pm EDT

Yes... let's get to thePoint. The point is that there's still no proof of recruiting - once again confirmed by the N&R reporting. Forget the schools (Dudley, Northern, Page, etc) - the ppoint is that 3 professionals have lost their jobs without so much as a scrap of hard facts and evidence. It can be argued that they resigned due to misdeeds, or it can be equally argued that they were forced to resign like so many teachers that were on T. Grier's hit list. You have to wonder who's hit list are they working from.
I don't think that the resignations can be linked to the basketball championship at all. Show me the evidence. Why the basketball program? Just because they just won the championship? That would imply someone knew a kid was "illegally" playing on the team and waited until they won the championship to spring their trap. IF that's the case, who is the someone and why are they allowed such anonymous power? Last time I checked, you couldn't convict a person in this country on inuendo, rumors, and suppositions. C'mon... Where are the facts?
How about this... stop all transfers of students outside their attendance zones. No more academies, no more magnet programs, no more programs. You go to school, learn, play sports, and deal with the school where your parents chose to live.
This is an administration created mess (16,000 transfers this year) all approved before a single kid took the first class, dressed out for a single practice, or played the first game or concert. Why would the administration permit 25% of the students to transfer? Where are these administrators and why aren't they speaking out. If you're looking for a story - there it is.

Garth

April 28, 2009 - 12:12 pm EDT

Though I should be careful about posting on this one, I walk carefully for legal reason, yet I do want input. If any involved in GCS feel coerced about their jobs I want to know about it. I made several inquiries about coercion with staff and attorney regarding coercion on these instances and I am still open for input. To date I have received no credible evidence of coercion but I will consider such quite seriously. I want Terry Grier out of here and that includes the backstabbing culture that thrived under his leadership!
Garth

ilvteaching

April 28, 2009 - 10:29 pm EDT

Garth,
I too am reluctant to post, but I am so angry about this, I can't see straight. The men who resigned were coerced.
Have you talked to them? - I think they would both tell you that themselves, The School System has NO evidence against them. There is nothing there except a form mistakenly signed two years ago, and chaperoning a trip to New York. I’ll try to explain why they didn’t fight . .. . Yes, they knew early in the week they were in trouble, but there was NO proof and they knew they hadn’t done anything wrong. They figured if they cooperated, they would be cleared. Both talked to attorneys during the week.
They were called at 9pm on Thursday night and told to resign by 10 am. the next day (a HOLIDAY) or they would be made miserable. They were threatened with their teaching certificates (what that has to do with atletics, I don’t know) and their retirement. Since it was a holiday, they couldn’t get their attorneys in time. I know for a fact that people downtown knew all day Thursday (at least that long) that this would go down Friday morning, But the men themselves were not told in time to get legal counsel. If these men are SO guilty, why were they threatened? Why were they not allowed to consult with legal counsel? The answer is because Jill Wilson wanted them to resign out of fear - she doesn’t have to prove anything, the paper is happy and the “only victims” are the two men whose lives are ruined. That is her way of dealing with the angry people at the paper. Have you ever been around the writers for the paper who hate northern in person? I do not know Robert Bell, but I do know other writers at the paper, one in particular, who are scary when they talk about Northern. They have so much hated for Northern, they can’t be objective at this point.
I think Mo Green has been taking lessons from Jerry Weast. This is no way to treat employees. I hope they will sue for wrongful dismissal –they have legal grounds. I am still waiting to see PROOF of what they did. Actually, so are they.

Garth

April 30, 2009 - 1:43 pm EDT

It appears you have inside information, therefore my email is garth@thecpafirm.com, refer to names of employees if you can and/or have them contact me directly or if more comfortable attorney to attorney can be arranged / one of my attorneys not schoolboard. I am serious!
Garth

goheels

April 27, 2009 - 11:53 am EDT

This sounds like a ship is sinking and they are trying to drag someone else's name through the mud. Why did Dudley come up in this whole situation. How can a guy write an article on hearsay anyway? If Dudley recruits, don't you think they would be smart enough to do it somewhere other than in a player's gym? The grounds of the article don't even match up...one guy sais he submitted an argument, and Herb Goins has no recolection of it? What player did Dudley recruit anyway? And what did they have to offer a kid, other than a chance to win or a college scholarship? I know for a fact that Dudley doesn't have any money to house kids, so is it Dudley going out and getting kids or is it kids recruiting Dudley wanting to play for a winning program? People get sick and tired of hearing people trying to tarnish someone's accomplishments because they can't compete. Did Dudley recruit Brandon Clifford, when he clearly lived in Dudley's district, or did anyone cry recruiting when he chose a school he felt comfortable with in Page? Did anyone from Dudley recruit Julius Brooks? On of Greensboro's best, who decided he wanted to goto Page because he didn't want to cut his braids? Are there any complaints on the books submitted by Dudley because these guys didn't attend Dudley? Or did they recruit Kevin Swinton, who was miserable at Southeast? Would it have been recruiting if he wanted to attend Grimsley or Page or Smith when he transferred? Or did they recruit Kenny Belton? Eric Hicks? No he was in Dudley District Will Graves? No he was inDudley District Vincent Whitt? No again...maybe Brendan Haywood? do your research...not quite recruiting. Braxton Williams? Nah, he lived right across the street. So the point is, be careful when you're throwing insults around, when you're listening to jealous rumors.

DaveW

April 27, 2009 - 2:38 pm EDT

Another one that believes there are separate regulations for Dudley.How many posts have defended Dudley on this site? Probably more than Northern. There is some great tradition with Dudley athletics in the past and now. The difference is in the past that school did things honorably. Nowadays they, Northern, Page and a few others but not all GCS schools are not.

goheels

April 27, 2009 - 2:50 pm EDT

What do you call honorable, and please be specific.

DaveW

April 27, 2009 - 6:56 pm EDT

Honorable--- I mean the Jonathan McKee and Bill Boyers days when Dudley won with kids IN THEIR OWN DISTRICT.These 2 guys were great role models for all kids in the area. They expected a work ethic from their athletes and taught them to do things right.They led by example. I played at another school against those guys and I admired the way thier kids came at us in any sport coached by those 2 but still had class regardless of the final result.Cheating in any form was not an option in those days for those two.

oppenheimerfund

April 27, 2009 - 8:34 pm EDT

I dont think anyone is trying to defend Dudley at all. This whole situation is about Northern and how they stole players from other schools (mostly poor kids). Ask Mr. Lawson why didnt he stay in Caswell County. Lawson has shopped his kid around just like alot of ambitious ,selfish, and greedy parents do. If Northern would have followed the rules and took the kids in their district, they would have no problems now. Ask some of the kids from Northwest Middle and Northeast Middle about the athletes and students at Northern. Ask them did they attend school with them. They will say no. Northern was so arrogant i nthis. The yare now paying for it.

bigmomma

April 27, 2009 - 11:39 pm EDT

THAT COOMENT YOUR MAKING ABOUT NORTHERN KIDS BEING POOR KIDS IS CRAZY. HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH A COMMENT LIKE THAT. REMEMBER THESE POOR KIDS CAME FROM NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST SO I GUESS THE KIDS AT THAT SCHOOL OUR POOR TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

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