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Northern Guilford High School custodian says he won't quit

Saturday, April 18, 2009
(Updated 11:24 pm)

GREENSBORO — The head custodian at Northern Guilford High who resigned amid an investigation into the school’s athletics program has rescinded that resignation, setting up a possible legal showdown with Guilford County Schools.

Louis Lawson, one of three Northern employees who resigned on April 10 — the day school system officials announced they were investigating the school — said Saturday school officials “interrogated” him for several hours over three days before giving him a choice: resign or be fired. Lawson said he resigned under the stress of several lengthy interviews.

“I’ve done nothing wrong,” he said. “They can’t get me for job performance. They can’t get me for attendance. So I’ve decided to let them fire me.”

David Brown, Lawson’s attorney, said Saturday he is waiting to hear from the school system about whether Lawson can return to work. He declined to outline his next step if the school system fires Lawson, but he did not rule out a lawsuit.

“If he’s fired, we’ll have to consider all our options including that, but it’s certainly not my intent to force that,” Brown said.
Jill Wilson, the school system’s attorney, could not be reached on Saturday.

Brown, who has done legal work for Northern basketball coach Stan Kowalewski, said last week he told school system officials Lawson would resign provided the resignation letter include a seven-day period for Lawson to reconsider.

Lawson said he informed school system officials of his latest decision on Thursday, a day before the resignation would have been permanent.

Lawson’s account of the investigation is the first public word by the Northern employees who resigned. Principal Joe Yeager and Athletics Director Derrell Force quit the same day as Lawson.

Sources have told the News & Record that the school system’s investigation centers on Northern’s football, boys basketball and baseball programs.

Lawson said he was met at Northern by Wilson and Shirley Morrison, the school system’s executive director of human resources, on the morning of April 7. He said he was escorted out the back of the school and taken downtown to the school system’s headquarters on Eugene Street, where Wilson, Morrison and others questioned him for five hours.

He said he was asked about the living arrangements for specific boys on the basketball team and about several transfer students on the baseball and football teams.

“They asked me questions about the football team, the basketball team and what I knew about the baseball team,” said Lawson, who declined to name the students brought up in the questioning. “I told them I didn’t know anything. How would I know about anything about them? I’m a custodian.”

Lawson said he was taken back downtown two days later and was asked to turn in his school keys and school system badge. He said Wilson and Morrison said he could not leave the room nor could he have a lawyer present during the interview.

Lawson said he believes he was questioned because his son, Jacob Lawson, was the starting center for Northern’s 3-A state championship basketball team this season.

In August, Jacob Lawson, who played AAU basketball for Kowalewski, transferred to Northern while his family still lived in Caswell County. Two weeks before school started, Yeager hired Louis Lawson as head custodian, which enabled his son to attend Northern.

In March, when the News & Record detailed how Jacob Lawson and other basketball players had transferred to Northern, Kowalewski and Force said school system officials had reviewed the transfer and found no wrongdoing.

Louis Lawson said Saturday he applied to several Guilford County schools before being hired at Northern.

“I could care less if my son ever bounces a basketball again,” he said. “I came (to Northern) to advance my career (and) to make sure my kid gets a good education. I want him to go to a college where he can get a education and get a job. None of this was for basketball.”

Contact Robert Bell at 373-7055 or robert.bell@news-record.com
 

Accompanying Photos

Margaret Baxter (News & Record)

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Norm*

April 19, 2009 - 8:03 am EDT

I'm apt to believe that Mr. Lawson didn't come up with this plan. It would take a good knowledge of the rules for athlete eligibility, employment, and student attendance areas to try to make this all work. Now, which employess have that combination? Maybe a teacher's assistant? no . . .maybe the cafeteria manager?. . .no. . . perhaps a bus driver?. . . no. . .let me think . . .

mike_gso

April 19, 2009 - 11:42 am EDT

Time to do even more cleaning up in the school system. We taxpayers can't afford lawsuits and lawyer fees being used to take money away from the classroom. I can't believe the level of arrogance and lack of professionalism here. Is Guilford County Schools now being run like Nazi Germany? Interrogated for 5 hours and was told he couldn't have a lawyer with him and he couldn't leave? Who in hell are these central office people? If I were a school board member I'd be livid and ready to knock some heads together. Which leads to the question...who is running this school system anyhow? Sounds to me like those higher up in HR are way out of control. Obviously there is a need to get some egos put in check and do more housecleaning.....this time with a focus on the HR department! Good God, this is insane! We have laws in place to protect people's rights, but as a school system we should also be practitioners of tolerance and compassion to our fellow man. What kind of example does this set? Yes, it's wrong to recruit high school athletes into a school to improve the school's athletic program, just as it's wrong to use intimidation and threats towards your employees. These central office employees should also be shown the same level of disgraceful behavior shown to this custodian and given the option to either resign or be fired.

maryfrancis

April 19, 2009 - 12:33 pm EDT

What a disgrace!! I applauded Mr. Lawson for rescinding his resignation and fighting for what’s right. The scene that plays out in my mind when reading this article is astonishingly unbelievable. Mr. Lawson not only deserves his job back but I hope we would all agree that he is due a public apology!

Taken out the back door…escorted to headquarters…questioned for 5 hours?? The only things missing are the full ashtrays/the smoke filled room and the “good-cop; bad-cop” scenario.

gcsteach

April 19, 2009 - 12:50 pm EDT

Wow! I forgot how much I love it when people only listen to one side of a story. It does something special to my heart, sort of like reaffirming the idea of fairness in the world. And before anyone quotes the "innocent until proven guilty, " mantra, please let me know how much information you have at your disposal to make these "atta boy" claims to Lawson and charges that GSO schools are being run like Nazi Germany with god cop, bad cop routines.
I will however apologize if either one of you are the following:

Mr. Lawson
Mo Green
one of the lawyers
Pat Spicer
one of the many people downtown at Eugene Street who have been conducting the investigation and reviewing documentation that brought this situation to light
or a fly on the wall at private meetings

If you are not I can only surmise you are basing your musings on one source information. See, an investigation should run one multiple sources and both sides being heard before a decision has been handed down.
If Mr. Lawson has done nothing wrong, then the evidence should support that. But of course I have to remember, paranoid watchers of Law & Order and the likes, are constructing conspiracy theories in their heads and rumor mongering about "trumped up" charges. I applaud your deductive skills and hope you can continue to entertain yourselves.

maryfrancis

April 19, 2009 - 1:04 pm EDT

gcsteach…either way you spin it…the scenario this article portrays should be an embarrassment to those “in charge”. And, although I am not one of those people you list… I am a concerned citizen entitled to my opinion and this entire situation is a ridiculous waste of time and money!

gcsteach

April 19, 2009 - 1:24 pm EDT

I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, only that it be an informed opinion. One informed from both sides.

mike_gso

April 19, 2009 - 1:53 pm EDT

Her opinion was formed from the information gained after an interview with the NR reporter and Mr. Lawson. We'd love to listen to the "other" side of the story, but gee gcsteach, it's hard to hear what happened from behind closed doors. And not to take focus away from Mr. Lawson and his unfortunate dealings with GCS, if you are a teacher (gscteach), then I can only say that I would hope an educator of children be better able to communicate their opinions in a public forum without the sacrcasm and put-downs.

mike_gso

April 19, 2009 - 1:09 pm EDT

Yes, we'll wait for the facts. The comment was based on quotes from an interview with Mr. Lawson. Obviously, you work for the system and have a built in bias because GCS writes your paycheck. I do hope that if you are ever disrespected and treated in the way Mr. Lawson has recently experienced, and it appears that possibiliy is not too far fetched, that others in our community will speak up and support your right to be treated fairly. I've heard throughout the years that many who work for GCS complain that morale is very low....gee, I wonder why!

gcsteach

April 19, 2009 - 1:45 pm EDT

While GCS does sign my paycheck I have not put myself in a position to be scrutinized and, in your words, disrespected. The morale, might I remind you, was low due to the former Superintendent, not the current. This is Mr. Green's first year here and the data has not been collected so I am not sure if anyone can say he is responsible for the low morale of previous years. If you want to gauge the morale under the current administration perhaps you should wait until the climate surveys have been administered and the numbers tabulated. Those should be done pretty soon actually and then you can compare the morale from previous years against this year and calculate if it has indeed risen or fallen.
I like to base my decisions on empirical evidence in these matters, and while emotions are hard to extricate from fact at times, I have to balance both.
I am not carrying anyone's head on stick here and making wild claims about who is wrong or right. I am only trying to understand the commentary and from what sources and facts they are based on. Maybe you can shed light on that since I do not know you. You are entitled to your opinions, as is maryfracis and myself. Hopefully, opinions are based in reality; I am only wondering what reality are yours based on? Obviously you have surmised that I "work in the system" but you have misconstrued that I am biased. I am secure enough to admit when I am wrong about things and I really do hope that what is being alleged is not true, but until more information comes out I can not do so and I imagine that until all facts are out that no one else can make a claim either way.

mike_gso

April 19, 2009 - 2:01 pm EDT

Thanks for making me laugh. I appreciate your attempt to humor us. But again, this is not about you gcsteach, it's about Mr. Lawson.

gcsteach

April 19, 2009 - 2:19 pm EDT

Well I do like to make people laugh, so I am glad you got a chuckle. I am not sure what exactly made you think I was concerned with myself. What are you making this about? You didn't even answer my question. I am worried more about the reputation that the school has, the teachers who work in it and the students that will be associated with it. Since you won't say what stake you have in this, I have to wonder why you are posting? What is your motivation? Is it to preserve the integrity of where you work, make sure your kids are at a school where this type of investigation would never occur or is it to spout off? I do work at Northern and want the school to prosper, so if that's what you mean about making it about me, then you are correct on that point. I also am thinking about the other teachers at the school who came to work there because we believed in the vision we were presented with. The parents believed in that vision as did the kids. You cannot know me just from my posts just as I cannot know you. This is again why I ask, what do you have at stake in this? I am not asking rhetorically, I am genuinely curious.
I realize that it is about Mr. Lawson because, oddly enough, the headline said as much. What it also about is Mr. Lawson's son, his future, his prospects and the hope that he, as Mr. Lawson said in the article, gets an education regardless if he ever touches a basketball again.
So again I ask, what are you basing your opinions on and what is your stake in this matter? Do you have a child at the school, do you work there? Obviously you don't have to answer but I can't respond to you constructively if I don't understand you.
By the way, what was the punchline to my joke exactly?

Dogwood

April 19, 2009 - 3:51 pm EDT

Constitute Malpractice: Duties
Derelict
Direct cause
Damage
I do not recognize Dr Jeager as any of the above. Monday morning back at your work place can you smile at the children?

gcsteach

April 19, 2009 - 4:23 pm EDT

Do you mean Mr. Yeager? And yes, I can smile at them because I am doing exactly what my job description entails and more. I am not sure why you are directing those listed items at me. I had nothing to do with his resignation, Dogwood. Maybe you could write an open letter to those who asked for his resignation and ask if they can smile.

Dogwood

April 19, 2009 - 5:15 pm EDT

I am sorry that malpractice definitions caused you to become paranoid. These are general terms. I was only crying in my heart for the children facing Monday morning. They are the innocent. I do know the northern half of the county and suffering of these children for years in over- crowded hallways and trailers. I was in joy on the day land was bought and Northern was created. I mourne for the recent destruction.

gcsteach

April 19, 2009 - 6:02 pm EDT

Do you understand the definition of paranoia? Here it is: Paranoia is a thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Nothing in my post shows fear or delusion. Let's recap. I stated I am a teacher, which I am. If I were in fear or anxiety would I be looking forward to going back to work tomorrow? You must be reading something special between the lines because I have stated I am concerned for the education of "the children." I taught in those trailers and was ecstatic when we moved to Northern. I am thrilled you understand the northern half of the county, but do you understand the Northern faculty? Why don't you come on over to Northern and sit in faculty meetings, teach the classes, grade the work, listen to the kids when they come to you and deal with the direct repercussions of this incident at ground zero and then tell me how you understand?

Dogwood

April 19, 2009 - 6:49 pm EDT

Pity to the teachers. Nobody understands their hardships. Ground zero is tomorrow. How can you understand?

willtheyeverlearn

April 21, 2009 - 4:19 pm EDT

true suffering is right here in your own county on the east and south sides of town it is so sad they can't even get simply things you all are bragging about how everything is so good over there...... what about over here so to hell with them as long as Northern gets cleared as long as someone gets an apology so what............. look at everything else going on here always the throw away side of town that's how it will always be..... it dosent matter as long as everything works out overe ther right!!!! ......................while you all are talking about this nonsense,wasting money on this....... when in the end we all know what was done and because of the support that they have nothing will be done about it, ..................so please stop wasting money on this nothing will be done they all have been instructed to stick together and everything will be alright.

bimbigirl

April 19, 2009 - 7:08 pm EDT

Please, please keep this in perspective and avoid the drama. Suffering??? OMG - a child suffering because he/she has the privilege of receiving an education, even if the conditions are not optimal? This is far from suffering. If you want to see children suffer, go on a trip to a developing country. Hopefully, then you can gain real perspective.

Dogwood

April 20, 2009 - 2:09 pm EDT

I have worked in the 3rd world. I have seen a village wife (15 years old) spit apart during child-birth bleeding to death. I guess I can use the word suffer to describe psychological vs physical without offense..I am a brand new pc word world so "sorry".

Dogwood

April 19, 2009 - 3:04 pm EDT

"You cannot shout fire in a crowded room"
I remember Jill Wilson sued all the property owners in Guilford and Rockingham Counties a few years ago. Mo Green is an attorney and understands due process I hope. Nora Carr just relocated a few months ago from another county to be closer to her job. A custodian moved from another county to be closer to his new job. He was offered fire or resign last week. Will fire or resign be offered to Nora?
Mr. Lawson is an honest humble man. The fakes are the rumor mongers. Our rebuilt Eastern High School could be guilty of hiring staff in two years if this fouled administrative judgement continues.

northernstudent1991

April 19, 2009 - 11:12 pm EDT

Look people, i am a student at northern. I know what is going on there, i live it every day. This whole thing is ridiculous.. It just goes to show you that people downtown, even though they dont want to admit it, put way too much emphasis on athletics. Mr. Yeager did many things for his student and the academics at northern. He improved our school in ways no one ever thought possible.

northernstudent1991

April 19, 2009 - 11:14 pm EDT

It just goes to show you that in GCS athletics outways academics

oscardad44

April 19, 2009 - 11:31 pm EDT

Well I look forward to hear from any of our BOARD OF EDUCATION MEMBERS! This is another example of how GCS treats there employees! Don't think we our district just happened to HIRE a replacement for Grier with a legal background.

I would definately advise everyone to make note of how many times this type of thing has and will continue to happen in GCS!

Can you say GATE KEEPERS how many times has the schools organization chart changed lets just remove all the detailed titles and just give everyone the same title. GCS Gate Keeper.

Same job description/job requirements - Willing to lie, cover up and say whatever just to defend a district that is failing so many students

ATTN: ALL GCS STAFF - You to could be treated like the custodian Mr. Lawson was, so don't think you are safe with your jobs!!

bigmomma

April 20, 2009 - 10:45 am EDT

WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TOO AND I SAID IT ONCE ALREADY AND I,LL SAY IT AGAIN.iF GCS WHERE TAKING THERE TIME AND CHECKING ALL THE DOCUMENT THAT WHERE REQUIRED TO ENROLL AT NORTHERN NONE OF THIS WOULD BE GOING ON.DOCUMENT SUCH AS (WATER BILL,GAS,ELECTRIC,).I FIRMLY BELIEVE IF THE BASKETBALL TEAM HAD A BAD SEASON AS MOST PEOPLE EXPECT THEM TO HAVE BUT DID,NT HAVE.WE WOULD,NT BE GOING THROUGH WHAT WERE GOING THROUGH.IF THIS INVESTIGATION BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2008 WHY ARE WE JUST HEARING ABOUT IT NOW.WHY DID IT TAKE YOU SO LONG TO COME OUT WITH THE INFORMATION.YOU SHOULD OF BEEN CHECKING IN TO RECORDS AND DOCUMENT THEN.DON,T PUNISH THE CHILDREN AT NORTHERN FOR SOMETHING GUILFORD COUNTY SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION FAILED AT DOING AND WHAT I MEAN BY FAILED IS NOT CHECKING EVERYONE DOCUMENT.TAKE YOUR ANGER OUT ON SOMEONE ELSE.AND AS FAR FOR MR LAWSON GOOD FOR YOU YOU SHOULD,NT HAD TO GIVE UP JOB AND I HOPE ALL WORKS OUT FOR.BUT ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY TO YOU.DON,T STOP YOUR SON FROM PLAYIN BASKETBALL AT NORTHERN.HE HAS DREAMS LIKE EVERYONE IN LIFE HAS. DON,T HENDER IT BECAUSE OF OTHER PEOPLE OPINION.MAKE SURE HE,S HAPPY AND IF HE,S GETTING A GOOD EDUCATION AT NOTHERN THEN SO BE IT.THTA GOES FOR ANYCHILD CAUGHT UP IN THIS MESS

whatcanIsay

April 21, 2009 - 9:39 pm EDT

It is not just the basketball team that is attracting attention. You have football players changing schools in the middle of the year. One is still at his other school(Page), but is listed on the websites and any other publication of playing for Northern Guilford, which have not happen yet. I say it again, everyone has someone attending their school that do not live in their zone, but to be so obvious about it will bring recourse. Mo Green is not Grier. He got rid of some employees in Charlotte and he will here. And for the record, Nora Carr came with Mo Green, so I doubt she is under the "fire or resign" Together they will make things happen. It is amazing how many around the state was pointing fingers @ Independence High when they where going through all of this.

Nighthawk2

April 20, 2009 - 11:54 am EDT

Just to set the record straight, Joe Yeager does not have a PhD. He is in the PROCESS of completing one (oddly enough his dissertation is about opening a new school, which frankly I don't think he can complete now). However, until you finish your dissertation, walk accross that stage, and receive that sheet of paper stating that you have successfully completed your PhD, you do not have one, and therefore cannot be called Doctor (unless he has a medical degree that I'm unaware of). So for all of you out there who called MR Yeager DOCTOR Yeager, and to you, Joe Yeager (who allowed people to call you Dr. Yeager with out correcting them), the record is set straight now. His name is MR. Joe Yeager. Not Doctor. Probably never will be.

Dogwood

April 20, 2009 - 3:12 pm EDT

Mr. Yeager may use time-out to complete his Phd. I hope so. UNC-G has an excellent doctorate program in education..He is now a free bird to fly without the nonsense of sporting envy. Maybe he will focus on green school buildings without the sporting envy nonsense. He has a great future ahead of him in Seattle or someplace other than here. I hope the new school at Eastern learned from him also..He is a good man with or without Phd.

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