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Should UNCG repair or replace The Quad?

Wednesday, April 8, 2009
(Updated 1:36 pm)

GREENSBORO — On UNCG’s campus, “The Quad” is a historic jewel. Built between 1919 and 1923, the seven dormitories that make up the area have been home to generations of students.

They’re also some of the worst dorms on campus.

“They’re just worn out,” said UNCG Vice Chancellor Carol Disque. “The electrical systems are worn out. They’re the last nonair-conditioned dorms we have. They’re not handicapped accessible at all. They’re clean and well kept but they’re just very old.”

So old that the university has a decision to make: whether to tear down the buildings and put new dorms in their place, or try to restore and modernize what’s there.

The issue has become a tug-of-war between preserving the past and preparing for the future. Some alumni and groups such as Preservation Greensboro are pushing to save the buildings. Many students say they’d rather see new, modern dorms — particularly with the student body growing every year.

“It’s a complicated question,” Disque said.

That’s why the university is asking for input from students, staff, faculty and the public. At an on-campus meeting this afternoon Disque will present various options and ask for feedback. Suggestions will then go to the board of trustees when it meets later this month.

Either option likely will cost about $100 million, Disque said.

Whatever happens, it needs to happen soon. “The housing staff is concerned that if we do nothing something big is going to fail in those buildings,” Disque said. “Then we’ll have hundreds of students with no place to live.”

With its three-story buildings housing 755 students, the Quad is the least dense cluster of dorms on campus. It’s also one of the least sought-after.

“What we have there are double rooms with gang bathrooms down the hall,” Disque said. “Most new students want to live in apartment and suite-style dorms, with their own bathrooms.”

Situated on about 200 acres, UNCG has struggled with student crowding for years. The school is on track to take on 400 more on-campus students in 2011 and 400 more every three years until 2017. Though new, apartment-style dorms opened on Spring Garden Street a few years ago, only about 700 of the school’s 4,200 on-campus beds are in modern buildings that don’t resemble a military barracks. That might be traditional, but it’s not profitable.

“Our housing department gets no state money,” Disque said. “All the funding to keep our housing available comes from renting rooms to students. So, we have to compete with off-campus landlords and apartment buildings for those students. Many of them would rather live in modern apartments.”

UNCG Student Government President Michael Tuso said most students don’t want to lose the Quad, but as they hear more about the plans, they’re warming to the idea of rebuilding it.

“I think that when you hear about buildings being torn down, you think they’re going to be putting up new high-rises,” Tuso said. “That wouldn’t really be what happens. What they’re talking about is rebuilding modern buildings that keep the historic character and the architecture but are modern, sustainable dorms.”

Tuso said students want buildings with a mix of single and double rooms, suites, kitchens and common places.

“There are a lot of options,” Tuso said. “I think once people meet and see the presentation there’s a way for the campus to get everything it needs without losing its character or history.”

 

Contact Joe Killian at 373-7023 or joe.killian@news-record.com

 

Accompanying Photos

Staff photo (News & Record)

Photo Caption: The campus of UNCG.

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JoeScott

April 8, 2009 - 5:48 am EDT

At a time when teachers are being laid off, thus compromising the quality of students' educations, the question of renovating or rebuilding the Quad is ridiculous. Note that these buildings are not unlivable, and having worked on no less than nine college campuses across the southeast, I have slept in much worse dorms. My alma mater was always so construction happy when I attended between the years of 2003-2006, but with everybody tightening their belts, this is one obsession the school should ditch. At least for now.

Joekillian

April 8, 2009 - 9:21 am EDT

The buildings aren't unliveable but they're also not competitive. As the vice chancellor said in the article - and which I didn't know even though I was an RA at the school - the dorms aren't funded by the state and are directly competing with more modern off-campus options that will allow you to plug in both your TV and your iron.

But beyond that the real issue is that UNCG has been seeing an enrollment surge for a few years that promises to continue. For a variety of good reasons they try to offer housing to as many students as they can and these dorms were built - both from a material (no air conditioning, old wiring and plumbing, asbestos in the walls) and a design perspective (small rooms, 25 people to a bathroom, no handicap accessibility), for another University in another time. The option is becoming either build new dorms - where there's now parking or, you know, neighborhoods - or look at modernizing the dorm areas you already have.

You could argue they should be admitting or housing fewer students, but that's a different discussion.

That doesn't mean they have to tear them down and build new ones. But it will cost as much to gut them and modernize them, and they'll actually lose beds that way unless they build another dorm to offset that. It's going to come down to what they think is the smartest play and whether they think the shells of the buildings are worth preserving.

doublel

April 8, 2009 - 9:55 am EDT

My daughter has lived in the quad, by choice in the same room (on the third floor) and loves it. Yes, it's hot in Aug. and Sept., but the beauty of larger rooms, big windows and tall ceilings keeps it cool! Like buildings back then were designed to do. She has plenty of friends in the high rises, and the newer dorms, but those rooms are much smaller, lower ceilings, no closets. She would rather be in the quad than anywhere else.

Please hold on to this historic structure! This city (and especially this college) has done away with too many wonderful buildings. How about the ones on campus avenue?

And I agree, with layoffs, and rising tuition in the UNCG community, the last thing they need to do is spend money on this ridiculous idea. If nothing else, put money in restoring the painted shut windows in the stairwells. They were designed to open, and keep the building cool.

Joekillian

April 8, 2009 - 10:13 am EDT

I'm glad to hear your daughter likes her room on The Quad and I have to agree, they dorms are more visually attractive.

But I lived in the more modern high rises my freshman year and was an RA in two older, more attractive dorms on College Avenue while I was there. They all have closets. They all have basic necessities. You can live in them. But my friends who lived on The Quad always bemoaned what have now become serious problems with the building - no air conditioning, bad wiring and plumbing (which occasionally causes real trouble), few bathrooms, no handicapped accessibility, etc.

I'm not saying the best option is to tear these old buildings down. But I think anybody (especially anybody who lives/lived there) would have to agree they need to be modernized and brought up to a basic level with all the other dorms on campus. That's one of the options being discussed.

igliigli

April 8, 2009 - 10:11 am EDT

Why does student housing not get funding from the State
while the sports teams receive millions from the State?

stafford5465

April 8, 2009 - 10:55 am EDT

My son lived in a Dorm his Freshman year that was built in 1766. It had been updated about 1925. It did not hurt him. Schools up North don't believe in bulldozing everything down. If you have a great school, students will come regardless of the living conditions. The money would be better spent if UNCG would try to be a more competitive school rather than trying to be at the top of the comfort list. UNCG needs a lot more Dorm rooms. When they get them built, then some renovations might be in order.

Athenarose920

April 8, 2009 - 10:56 am EDT

I think the quad should be left alone for know with the cuts going on. But they should be gutted and redone because they are some of the orginal UNCG campus. I know there are other colleges around the UNC system that are worse off with mold and other various things that need more attention then some dorms that are just getting old but thats the goos thing of the quad. I wished I could have lived there but I have sereve allergies and I need the AC. But yes eventually the dorms should be gutted and redone.

Cemetery

April 8, 2009 - 5:25 pm EDT

With a school that has as much history as UNCG with wonderful old-style, brick buildings, I feel the university should try to salvage the existing dorms. I remember visiting friends in Shaw Dorm & I loved how big the rooms were!! The bathrooms were sufficient and with air-conditioning and a few other renovations, I really think the dorms could be renovated beautifully without sacrificing the history behind the dorms.

trabun

April 9, 2009 - 10:09 am EDT

My son was in the quad for two semesters. These buildings must be replaced. They are neither sustainable nor livable. I also attended UNCG though I graduated from NCSU and have fond memories of the campus. It has changed significantly since then, yet remains familiar. New buildings have been designed and constructed in keeping with the character of the campus and I have no reason to believe that policy cannot be continued in replacements for the quad. It's important to keep the University competitive and to keep on-campus living a viable option for students.

bdtietje

April 9, 2009 - 10:45 am EDT

Build new ones. Yes, the Quad is very historical, but is that really what UNCG needs to be focusing on now? They said it would be the same expense if not less to rebuild bigger dorms in the Quad. They even said that they would keep the lawn area. I think UNCG struggles with retention of students because freshmen dorms are very nice, but after that most are stuck in the Quad--the worst dorms on campus.

Don't be afraid of change. Build new, bigger dorms that will help ease the housing crisis we already have.

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