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Illegal immigrants' tuition pays way

Friday, March 20, 2009
(Updated 12:02 pm)

RALEIGH — North Carolina may have made money from illegal immigrants when they were allowed into the state’s community college system, a consultant told the N.C. Board of Community Colleges Thursday.

The oral report was a prelude to a full analysis due to be delivered in April.

On average it cost $5,375 per year to educate a student at one of the state’s 58 community colleges, said Gina Shkodriani, a researcher with JBL Associates of Maryland. Because undocumented students who were allowed into colleges between 2007 and 2008 paid out-of-state rates, their average tuition cost was $7,024.

“In a sense ... it’s a revenue,” Shkodriani said.

Exact figures varied from campus to campus, Shkodriani said. But at only one of the state’s 58 community colleges — Pamlico Community College — did a student cost more to educate than was covered by their full-time tuition.

The community college system hired JBL Associates following a complicated turn of events in 2007 and 2008.

In November 2007, the community college system formally opened its doors to illegal immigrants. In May 2008, the community college system reversed itself based on a letter from the N.C. Attorney General’s Office. To complicate matters further, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security issued an advisory later in the summer that it was up to each state to determine whether it would admit students in the U.S. illegally.

Since then, North Carolina has stuck to its policy of excluding students without proper documents, which the consultants placed among the most restrictive in the nation.

“The awkwardness of the situation is we’ve had four policy shifts in the past seven years,” said Stuart Fountain, chairman of the board’s policy committee.

JBL Associates is due to give a full written report along with policy recommendations to Fountain’s committee in April. After that, the committee will have to craft a policy for approval by the full board and then, Fountain said, by the state’s Rules Review Commission.

The consultants are looking at a variety of issues, including how other states handle illegal immigrants seeking admission to community colleges. Some states have a blanket ban on such students, said Alice Maginnis, a lawyer working with JBL. Others provide routes for such students to seek admissions, much like North Carolina did for a short time under the system’s 2007 policy.

Their recommendations are being watched closely by members of the General Assembly, who are divided over the issue.

Rep. Pricey Harrison, a Guilford County Democrat, said the consultant’s findings bolstered her efforts to re-open community colleges to those here illegally, much as the UNC system does now.

“I would hope they do,” Harrison said. “But I’m afraid some of the reaction I’m getting is about more than the tuition piece. It’s people upset about folks being here illegally... I’m not sure we’ll ever satisfy those critics.”

Sen. Phil Berger, a Rockingham County Republican, has filed legislation to stop those here illegally from being admitted to the community college system.

“I don’t know that I concede the point that out-of-state tuition pays the cost of teaching someone 100 percent plus some,” Berger said.

That estimate, he said, does not factor in things such as paying debt services on buildings and other large capital equipment.

“The real issue is we’re providing a benefit to someone who came into this country illegally,” he said.

“If we do so, we’re going to encourage people to come here without taking the steps the law prescribes. It just doesn’t seem that complicated to me.”

Contact Mark Binker (919) 832-5549 or mark.binker@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Photo Caption: Sen. Phil Berger, R-Rockingham, and Rep. Pricey Harrison, D-Guilford

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Doug Johnson

March 20, 2009 - 6:58 am EDT

I guess then we will let Americans from other states, attend for in state tuition. NOT.
The only applies to Jose the boarder jumper.

Doug Johnson

March 20, 2009 - 7:27 am EDT

I heard a CW Dis Jockey, a few minutes ago, ask wonder what part of illegal, Harrison does not understand.

MamaKin326

March 20, 2009 - 7:53 am EDT

Sorry, revenue it may be, but it sometimes keeps those of us trying to complete programs from getting in to them, because there are too may applicants. Let them go to college in their own country....it's wrong for those of us that have been born and raised here to have to be behind someone from another country, just because they are from another country and may be indigent....the US is in trouble, and will have alot more of our own people indigent if we don't MAKE THEM our top priority...

SanityPlease

March 21, 2009 - 5:31 pm EDT

So, say a child is brought to North Carolina at the age of 2, or 5 or 8. While she grows up, her parents work hard cleaning buildings, or plucking chickens, or caring for other people's children for low pay. She stays in school, wins the admiration of her classmates, and finishes in the top 10 of her high school class. When her friends graduate, they get in-state tuition and Pell Grants and state and private scholarships. But when she graduates, she gets nothing because of the way her parents came to this country so many years ago. Still, she perseveres works nights and summers, and by shear determination she manages to raise the money she needs to go to college even though the tuition she must pay is 3 times higher than that of her classmates. According to this article, the tuition she pays would MAKE A PROFIT for ths school, which means that the school could afford to charge others less.

Despite all of that, the yahoos who commented above (and those who undoubtedly will comment below) want the schoolhouse doors to remain closed to this (real, not theoretical) young woman. Those commenters are not just selfish, because if they were merely selfish they would want the school to be able to benefit from the added revenue. They are haters, pure and simple. And the politicians who pander to such hatred follow a long line of demagogues in this nation who have catered to prejudice and stood in the way of progress. Happily, our nation always eventually sees through their ilk. I just hope that happens in time for today's students to get the education that they deserve and that will pay us all back in the long run.

vbaezan

April 15, 2009 - 10:22 am EDT

Wow, you are actually pretty ignorant and think you're better than everyone else since you "feel" for this person, or are that person.

I was raised in a military family and my father retired from Fort Bragg, NC in 1995, the same year I graduated high school in VA. My father had stayed in NC to finish his term while we went to VA to prepare for his retirment and his follow on career. I got a scholarship to a military college and left.

In 1997 I joined the North Carolina National Guard as a Military Police Officer. I transfered to East Carolina to continue my studies and be near my unit of assigment. I was charged out of state tuition (rightfully so) for that first year to establish residency. In my second year, I was DENIED in-state tuition even though I had a full time job, a home, paid state taxes and was activated twice for state emergencies. I paid that third semester and was forced to take a semester off.

I finally got in-state tuition my last semester when I hired a lawyer who had to argue with the residency board that all my actions showed intent to make NC my home. It was almost cheaper to just pay the out of state for that last semester, but I had a point to make. By that time, I had been activated an additional THREE times and even deployed to Moldova to train Soldiers there.

Was I less entitled to in-state tuition than the girl in your story? According to you, I am.

And finally, you can think I'm a racist or whatever, but my mother is Korean, and my wife is German. Both of them signed the guestbook on the way into this country. That girls parents should have done the same. Sometimes the sins of the father are passed on to the son.

Niterider1784

March 24, 2009 - 2:25 pm EDT

I agree with SanityPlease, happily, not everyone in this great country is blinded by misguided dogmatic views. These students are simply trying to WORK their way out of a situation that is not by their own design. And to those who think the college system is being overwhelmed by "illegals," check your stats. Most colleges only have less 10% of students who are Latinos (that's on the high end). Of those, only less than 1% are probably "illegal." There are probably only a handful in the entire college. These students are working hard, and not just academically, in order to pursue their own dreams. Why are people afraid? If you are worried that one student in class is going to cause you to be unable to finish your education, than you are in need of some serious reflection.

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