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Recording highlights council's conflicts

Thursday, March 12, 2009
(Updated 10:27 pm)

GREENSBORO - Listen for yourself. The tape of the closed-door City Council debate tells the tale.

It's all there: the ousted employee, the police department race controversy and the bickering city leaders.

The city Wednesday released a recording of the closed-session City Council meeting in which former City Manager Mitchell Johnson was relieved of his duties.

The hourlong recording offers a rare look at how the council functions and how members decided to fire the city's top employee. Released at the request of the City Council with Johnson's permission, the recording highlights the deep divisions on the council and Greensboro's ongoing conflicts over race and the police department.

"Where we're talking about 1979, we're talking about racial relations with the police department, where we are talking about the city manager; basically where we are today, we cannot move forward," Councilman Zack Matheny said in the closed session, referring in part to the 1979 Klan-Nazi shootings in the city. "This thing has taken on a life of its own."

The recording also revealed that the Greensboro Police Department is under investigation by the Justice Department.

Johnson was relieved of his duties March 3 but will work for the city until July in other capacities.

Wray issue still divisive

Johnson's four-year tenure was mired with difficulties, including the 2006 resignation of former police Chief David Wray. Johnson launched an investigation into allegations of racial profiling within the police department and later locked Wray out of his office.

Today, the city faces racial discrimination and other lawsuits from Wray, his former deputy and about 40 police officers.

It was clear from the closed session that those conflicts still divide Greensboro. Councilwoman Goldie Wells said the city has been under a cloud since Wray's departure.

She repeatedly asked her fellow council members to explain why they wanted to dismiss the manager. At one point, Matheny told her he did not like her tone.

Matheny said he came to the conclusion that Johnson had inherited a lot of troubles and the city had been in a quagmire ever since. "Everybody wants to move this city forward," Matheny told Wells.

Councilwoman Sandra Anderson Groat, who choked up as she described how she came to the decision to fire Johnson, said he had become a "lightning rod" among council members.

She said she was disappointed that Johnson did not take responsibility for his tenure.

"He told me....'They want my blood for David Wray's blood,'" she told council members.

Wells blamed the turmoil on council members.

"We have not been a good council. We don't get along with each other. We have our opinions, we stick to what we believe in, and we have not done a thing for Greensboro that's been positive," Wells said. "And we can't put it on the manager."

Councilwoman T. Dianne Bellamy-Small agreed.

"We have given this man almost a thousand different directions to go in. In one meeting we tell him to stand up. In the next council meeting we tell him to sit down. He has tried to jump up and down and do these things," she said.

Some of the fight over Johnson focused on council members' relationships with each other and how some feel marginalized.

Bellamy-Small and Wells said it was unfair that they were not consulted when Matheny and Groat decided to not support Johnson, touching off his dismissal.

Legal issues were a focus

There was little discussion during the session about whether Johnson would be fired. The session began with City Attorney Terry Wood explaining the terms of the dismissal Johnson agreed to - a plan worked out with a handful of council members, Wood, Johnson and his attorneys before that night's council meeting.

Council members Mary Rakestraw, Trudy Wade and Mike Barber, who pushed for Johnson's dismissal for nearly a year, remained quiet for much of the closed session, speaking mostly to ask questions.

Wade said she felt she was not free to speak during the discussion.

"Anything I say or Mary says or Mike says is going to be a lightning rod, and we don't feel we can make any statements," Wade said in the session.

Council members also considered the ongoing lawsuits against the city from current and former members of the police department and a current Department of Justice investigation into the city's police department.

Wood declined to comment about the Justice Department investigation Wednesday, and the scope and intent of the investigation is not clear.

During the closed session, Councilman Robbie Perkins asked whether dismissing Johnson would put the city in a bad position legally.

"We have a manager who basically made a decision to stand up and listen to some African American police officers who had complaints about the police situation. ... Is that exposure enhanced or increased by us removing the person who voluntarily opened that investigation up and managed through it?" Perkins asked.

Wood said Johnson's help in the inquiry would be crucial.

"We're trying now to fulfill the Justice Department request and he has been helpful in saying, 'You need this, you need that,'" Wood said of Johnson.

Wells said firing Johnson would make the city look bad.

"You don't think we already do?" Rakestraw asked her.

"We will look worse. We will look worse because the people are still talking about 1979," Wells said. "They still know we messed up from that. It is going to come up again. We're trying to get out of that image."

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Jerry Wolford (News & Record)

Photo Caption: Mitchell Johnson at the City Council meeting held March 3.

HIGHLIGHTS

Highlights of what was discussed and when during the taped recording:

10:30 – Council members Zack Matheny and T. Dianne Bellamy-Small discuss Johnson.

22:30 – Councilwoman Sandra Anderson Groat talks about council dysfunction.

24:00 - Council members Trudy Wade and Mary Rakestraw describe feeling like they don’t think they can participate because they won’t be listened to.

28:00 – Councilwoman Goldie Wells discusses how she does not think it was fair that the deal was done to fire him without all nine council members involved.

33:00 City Attorney Terry Wood answers Councilman Robbie Perkins' questions about Johnson’s continued role in the Department of Justice investigation.

39:00 Mayor Yvonne Johnson has her say about wanting to keep Johnson.

43:30 – Exchange between Matheny, Groat and Wells about how Johnson would feel about this.

47:15 – Groat describes what was the linchpin in firing him.

51:34 – Wells asks if this will make any difference on the council.

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daveasphalt

March 12, 2009 - 6:57 am EDT

What is there about the 1979 incident that people can't get passed. This issue is just a ploy to extract pity and funds from the city. Get over it.
Greensboro's biggest issue has and always will be race relations. Whites and blacks are always going to have a basic diisagreement because of the past. However, if the city is to move forward, the black community has got to start looking forward. The black community as a whole, but especially in this area has neglected their own. Just open your eyes and look around. There is almost no family structure during child hood, no fathers, mothers managing on their own which forces them to govt. services. The black community wants to turn their eyes away from this problem. The black community does not realize that it is no longer the main concern to the white community. The main focus is now on the Hispanic community. They have come from a past which is just as bad as the black community. The difference is that while they are using govt. services to their advantages, they are also working and contributing. The black races role models are rappers and basketball players. Both irresponsible! I have never heard a black person claim Tiger Woods. They did claim Bill Cosby until he spoke the truth about his race and we all know where that got him.
Let go of the past and start contributing to your country's future.

citywatcher

March 12, 2009 - 8:38 am EDT

looks like to me me you are generalizing an entire race of people when you say there is no family structure. That is an issue with all races. Bottom line race will always be an issue in this country and there will ALWAYS be racism. I don't care how many black presidents this country elects. As far as the council's vote, I don't believe race had anything to do with it. Some of the council members just wanted revenge because their good friend Wray is gone. But it will give the impression of racism because the city manager that started the investigation into black officers being unfairly treated is now being let go and the connection between Johnson's removal and David Wray has already been made. This is not going away and in fact It has probably made things worse. This problem is just getting started.

citywatcher

March 12, 2009 - 8:16 am EDT

I believe people reap what they sow. Its very clear to me that most of the city members who voted Mitch out, did so out of revenge or personal reasons because they refuse to say why they voted him out. Silence says a whole lot. All I can say is everyone of those member who voted Mitch out should be voted out themselves. We the people get to decide this time. Another thing I'd like to point out is that council seemed to be fine until that circus from the county Comission came on board.

histrion

March 12, 2009 - 9:03 am EDT

Sometimes political expediency has to trump everything else. This has been a divisive issue for the community, and I think our city's leaders want to put it behind us and move on. As much as it sticks in my craw, I can't say I particularly blame them... or that it was the wrong way to go.

glenwoodresident

March 12, 2009 - 9:40 pm EDT

I think citywatcher is correct. This is a personal thing between a few members. Lets asked the same question Zack stated, would we be better off with out them. The answer would have to be yes. Lets call for a recall vote on all members, the public can then decide who to keep and who to move out.

Laura

March 12, 2009 - 2:16 pm EDT

What a waste of time and talent. Whether it is in Washington D.C. or on the local level, it seems like today's Republicans are only good at stirring up trouble and gumming up the works. The party of 'No' hates good government so anyone who cares about making a better world really needs to stop voting Republican at any level, because they only want to get into office to make trouble -- so they can turn around and say "see, we told you government is inefficient." Chumps who vote Republican are like the church congregation who hires an atheist to be their minister -- or chickens voting for Colonel Sanders -- or all the Joe and Jane Sixpacks who voted for Ronald Reagan and the Bush's and are still waiting for their tax cuts and blaming "the liberals" for all their problems.

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