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Anybody out there? Forbes says Greensboro's empty

Tuesday, February 17, 2009
(Updated Wednesday, February 18 - 1:03 pm)

GREENSBORO - In December, Forbes.com named Asheboro the country's fourth-fastest dying town.

Recently, the financial news Web site turned to Greensboro/High Point, naming it the fourth-emptiest city based on vacancy rates collected from the U.S. Census Bureau for the fourth quarter of 2008.

To that, suggests City Council member Robbie Perkins, "I think we need to say that they're full of baloney."

Las Vegas, Detroit and Atlanta were ahead of Greensboro in the report. Dayton, Ohio, was ranked fifth.

Forbes blamed the declines in Detroit and Dayton on industrial shutdowns, and placed Las Vegas' problems on the housing bust.

The report did not elaborate on how Greensboro/High Point landed fourth on the list.

But Keith Debbage, a UNCG geography professor who studies the city's economic health, says that those cities' circumstances are exactly what separates them from Greensboro.

"Yes, our region is suffering, as is the nation, but I would suggest we are no Detroit or Dayton nor have we had the speculative real estate bubble of Las Vegas or Orlando," Debbage said by e-mail Monday.

"I suspect if we examined the data over a longer period (instead of just one quarter), the rankings would shift dramatically particularly for Greensboro."

Perkins, president of the commercial real estate firm NAI Piedmont Triad, is quick to refute the idea that Greensboro is a vacant city.

Perkins said he was in Vegas last week and that city's downtown has several tower cranes that aren't moving, but he believes that Greensboro is strategically located in the state and country.

"I don't believe it is a relevant comparison," Perkins said.

Neither Debbage nor Perkins went into detail over why our region is high in rental vacancies - 13th in the nation - or second-highest nationally in housing vacancies.

The Census information listed those rates for the country's 75 largest metropolitan areas. Atlanta, Detroit and Las Vegas are all in the top 30 largest metropolitan areas with at least 1.8 million people in each. The Greensboro-High Point area is 72nd in total population with slightly less than 700,000 people.

"No, this isn't the fourth-worst place to live in the country because of vacancies," Perkins said. With nearby interstates, and recent company expansions such as Honda Aircraft Co., FedEx Ground and others, Perkins said, there's evidence that Greensboro is "one of the best places to live in the country."

Both Debbage and Perkins are keeping their eyes on the future for this area, no matter what national financial-magazine rankings might say.

"Keep in mind that we have experienced steady population growth for decades," Debbage said, "and are positioned strategically along the I-85 mega region corridor between Charlotte and Research Triangle that is likely to weather this economic shock a little better than many other parts of the country."

Here are some more detailed national rankings for metropolitan areas in the fourth quarter of 2008:

Greensboro was second in homeowner vacancies with 5.9 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008. Raleigh ranked 13th highest; Charlotte ranked 28th.

For rental vacancies, Greensboro was 13th at 15 percent vacancy. Charlotte was 15th and Raleigh was 33rd.

Richmond, Va., was highest in rental vacancies at 23 percent in the fourth quarter. Orlando, Fla., with 7.3 percent vacancies among homeowners, was highest in that category.

 

Contact Gerald Witt at 373-7008 or gerald.witt@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

John Newsom (News & Record)

America's emptiest cities

Based on Census figures compiled and sorted by Forbes.com for metropolitan areas across the United States. The overall rank is an average of rental vacancies and homeownership vacancies.
1. Las Vegas/Paradise, Nev.
2. Detroit/Warren/Livonia, Mich.
3. Atlanta/Sandy Springs/Marietta, Ga.
4. Greensboro/High Point
5. Dayton, Ohio
15. Charlotte/Gastonia/Concord (tied with Cincinnati/Middletown, Ky.)
Source: Forbes.com and the U.S. Census Bureau

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Resigned

February 17, 2009 - 7:44 am EST

This "it ain't so" response is so typical of Greensboro's leadership-ignore the facts and say what you hope people will believe. That's why we're #4 (and headed toward #1) !!

jeffic_fail

February 17, 2009 - 7:46 am EST

Greensboro will never be number 1 in vacancies. Jeffic Fail!

Rick

February 17, 2009 - 9:35 am EST

It's our overdeveloped city council that is full of baloney. They've been pro-developer at the expense of residential neighborhoods and we now have empty neighborhoods all over town. Mike Barber is a real-estate attorney, Anderson-Groat is a (bankrupt) builder, Perkins is a realtor, and Mayor Johnson is repaying developers and their attorneys for covering her illegal shenanigans, Matheny is a yes-man for the realtors, Wells owes favors for her "projects", etc.

kathy

February 17, 2009 - 12:45 pm EST

I must agree with Rick. There are new homes, townhomes and apartments empty all over town not to mention the amount of empty retail space. I understand that the construction industry needs to keep people employed but why not focus on renovation versus new building? Of course R. Perkins is going to say what it takes to keep him in business. But people, we have no water to call our own and we will have to stop the new buidling soon.

mamaboilermaker

February 17, 2009 - 12:48 pm EST

When I first saw the Forbes article, I assumed it was talking about retail vacancies. I still don't know how developers can be making money building retail space when there is already so much vacant retail space. I didn't realize there were lots of vacant apartments and houses as well, although it doesn't surprise me.

williag_1998

February 17, 2009 - 4:19 pm EST

Here's my suggestion...run for office and change things. Stop complaining about stuff, and make something happen. While I'm not a big Robbie fan or city council fan, this area will prevail in spite of those people. The turn around will not come from the government. It will come from the people who don't panic and give up. We have to have an age of entrepreneurship and government just needs to make sure that the environment is ripe for this take place. About all this consists of is not taxing the people too much, and concentrating on keeping the roads and infrastructure where it should be. Silly programs that become a way of life for people, have to end. Enjoy!

Evie

February 19, 2009 - 5:45 pm EST

Statistics can be skewed but the truth of the matter is that Greensboro has overbuilt. It has been ongoing for more than a decade. The fact that the city/county haven't blocked the developers from cutting the "green" in Greensboro makes it a two-fold concern.

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