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Should smoking marijuana be a medical option?

Sunday, January 18, 2009
(Updated 6:43 am)

Rocky Hoveland of Greensboro suffers pain from spine, neck and back injuries.

For a long time, he took prescription painkillers. But the drugs often left him dazed, if not null and void.

Then about 10 years ago, he began using marijuana to treat the pain. He found that it didn't eradicate the pain, but it made it more manageable.

"It keeps me from being in that haze of wanting to sleep all day or feeling hung over all day," he said. The prescription medications "were making me lay down, and I ain't one to lay around."

Hoveland and others like him are pushing for North Carolina to legalize cannabis for medical purposes. And they have become part of a national trend.

In November, Michigan became the 13th state to legalize marijuana for medical purposes.

That popular-vote referendum was just the most recent decision in a long-running debate: whether it should be legal for people to use, grow and sell marijuana for medicinal purposes.

On one side: sick, suffering patients, many of

whom are dying. For at least some of them, cannabis eases symptoms of illness or side effects of treatment.

On the other: a federal government that believes marijuana's benefits are too few and its side effects too risky for the drug to be legalized, even to the highly restricted level of cocaine.

Billy, a Davidson County man who didn't want his full name used , once took the prescription painkiller Dilaudid every day after lingering neck and wrist injuries, experiencing some of the same side effects as Hoveland.

Dilaudid "didn't do much" for the pain, he said. "And I got hateful. My family didn't want to be around me."

Marijuana has helped him, too, he said. "Now I'm up and around, hiking and fishing," he said. "Marijuana focuses my mind away from the pain. I'm still hurting, but it's not that important anymore."

Proponents of legalization in North Carolina are ramping up their efforts.

Representatives of the nonprofit N.C. Cannabis Patient Network have toured the state this winter, meeting with politicians, clergy and medical professionals and airing programs on local public-access TV stations.

On May 2, proponents are scheduled to march in Raleigh on behalf of legalization as part of a global one-day protest called the Million Marijuana March.

"We're looking forward to this becoming legal in this state so people can quit living in fear," said Jean Marlowe, the network's executive director. "We're returning dignity to these patients."

Marlowe, who lives in Polk County, has used marijuana since 1991 to treat muscular dystrophy, rheumatoid arthritis, degenerative disk disease, muscle spasticity and fibromyalgia. She says the authorities leave her alone because she has a letter from her doctor saying she needs medical cannabis.

Before using marijuana, she said, the side effects of her various medications left her practically disabled.

"I spent my time throwing up, dizzy," she said. "I couldn't cognize. I couldn't balance my checkbook. I spent my life in a chair, in the corner, with a trash can."

State Rep. Earl Jones, D-Guilford, introduced a bill in the 2008 legislative session to create a study commission to look at legalizing marijuana for medical purposes in North Carolina. Jones plans to reintroduce his bill this year .

"I think the legislature will do the right thing once they see it will benefit the public and they have been educated," Jones said.

But the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration remains adamantly opposed to legalizing cannabis even for medical purposes. It continues to prosecute under federal law in some other states for growing and distributing the plants.

 

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The most comprehensive review of the possible medical benefits of marijuana remains a book-length report, "Marijuana and Medicine," published in 1999 by the Institute of Medicine . The institute is part of the National Academies, agencies that advise the government on medicine and other sciences.

That report, co-authored by a researcher at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center, examined marijuana use with respect to five areas:

  • Pain, particularly nerve pain experienced by patients with AIDS and other diseases.
  • Nausea and vomiting, often experienced by chemotherapy patients.
  • Wasting syndrome and loss of appetite, often experienced by AIDS and cancer patients.
  • Neurological symptoms, including muscle spasticity and multiple sclerosis.
  • Glaucoma, excessive pressure in the fluid inside the eye. The condition can cause blindness.

In general, the report found that marijuana, though not a panacea, could help relieve some of these symptoms in at least some patients. In some cases, the report found, marijuana worked as well as or better than accepted treatments.

It also found that smoking treats symptoms such as pain and nausea more quickly and effectively than taking the medicine by mouth.

The report raised concerns about the long-term health effects of smoking marijuana, which, like tobacco, is associated with an increased risk of cancer. Such long-term risks probably don't matter for patients who already are dying, the report noted.

A synthetic form of marijuana's most active ingredient, THC, is available by prescription under the trade name Marinol. But it takes longer to work than inhaled marijuana smoke.

Also, taking cannabis by mouth can get patients "higher" than smoked cannabis - which many patients don't want. When THC is eaten, the liver, which smoking bypasses, breaks the psychoactive elements down into even more potent chemicals.

Another problem with synthetic oral cannabis is that it contains only a few active ingredients, while smoked marijuana contains more than 60.

The combination of those ingredients, not just one, may provide the most medical benefit, says Dr. Wilkie Wilson, director of the DukeLEARN neurological-research program at Duke University, who notes that drug companies are researching that question.

"What you need is something, maybe like an aspirator or an inhaler, that can deliver the drug better than a pill would," said Dr. Steven R. Childers, a professor of physiology and pharmacology at Wake Forest University's Bowman Gray School of Medicine. Childers co-wrote the 1999 Institute of Medicine report.

Wilson, co-author of "Buzzed: The Straight Facts About the Most Used and Abused Drugs from Alcohol to Ecstasy," says some patients prefer smoking because it gives them greater control over their dosage - they can choose to stop, or continue, at any time depending on how much relief they're getting.

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 Childers says the 1999 report's general conclusions remain accurate. Researchers have made some incremental advances, particularly in whether cannabis can ease some symptoms of multiple sclerosis. The nonprofit National Multiple Sclerosis Society is paying for a 10-year study, which began in March.

Also, Swiss researchers found in 2006 that cannabis taken orally can ease muscle spasticity in people with spinal-cord injuries. And after promising findings in rats and mice, Israeli researchers plan human trials to determine whether cannabis may slow or halt memory loss in people with Alzheimer's disease.

But U.S. government-sponsored studies since 1999 have been few and far between. The government grows little marijuana for research and tightly restricts its use. Currently, of 768 drug-related studies sponsored by the National Institute for Drug Abuse and registered at www.ClinicalTrials.gov, two pertain to medicinal marijuana.

Besides the possible direct benefits to patients, what are the arguments for legalizing medicinal cannabis?

For one thing, it may help patients for whom other drugs are ineffective or cause intolerable side effects. Its own side effects are relatively minor, the long-term cancer risk aside.

Cannabis is safer than many drugs now on the market. There has never been a documented death attributable to marijuana overdose, Wilson says.

And legalization would bring about standardized dosages and quality, aiding both treatment and research.

Critics argue that the drug is psychologically habit-forming. It can be, but it is less so than alcohol, tobacco and such drugs as heroin, the institute report found.

Some research subjects have reported unpleasant feelings or sensations after taking the drug. And some do not like the "high" that comes with taking the drug. That condition also can make it dangerous to drive or perform other skilled tasks and can hurt judgment and short-term memory.

Wilson points out that these ill effects are particularly dangerous in young people, whose growing brains must absorb not only academic knowledge but also social skills.

There is some evidence the drug can hamper the immune system in some patients.

And marijuana is considered a "gateway" drug - one that could lead to use of more potent and dangerous illegal drugs. The 1999 report found little evidence to support that claim on a pharmacological basis. It also observed that alcohol and tobacco are more widely used gateway drugs, particularly among younger people.

For those reasons and others, federal law classifies marijuana as a Schedule I controlled substance, the most restricted type. Such drugs are defined as having no currently accepted medical use in the U.S., a high potential for abuse, and no accepted safe approaches for use even under medical supervision.

Another Schedule I drug is LSD.

Proponents of medicinal marijuana want it reclassified at least as a Schedule II drug, the most restrictive category for addictive drugs with recognized medical uses. Examples include codeine, the active ingredient in many cough medicines, and the painkiller Dilaudid.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration maintains that marijuana's risks are too great, and its medical benefits too few, to legalize it. Even in some of the 13 states that have legalized medicinal marijuana, DEA agents still arrest people on federal drug charges.

And the government can prosecute doctors who prescribe marijuana. To avoid arrest, doctors often give their patients letters stating that the patient needs marijuana, rather than a prescription.

Proponents of medicinal marijuana also argue that regulating the drug should be a state and local matter, not a federal one.

In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a case called Gonzales v. Raich that the federal government had the right to regulate marijuana even within a single state, as opposed to in interstate commerce.

But a more recent Supreme Court decision suggests that the days of such overarching federal regulation might be numbered.

On Dec. 1, the court refused to hear an appeal from the city of Garden Grove, Calif. That city was defying a state court's order to return marijuana it had seized from a man who had won dismissal of drug charges after he provided a statement from his doctor that he needed marijuana.

Proponents hope that these incremental steps will lead to a day on which no one need fear legal punishment for using medicinal cannabis.

"I'd like us to be united in compassion," Marlowe said. "Living in fear of the government is not what we want for people who are sick and dying."

Wilson says marijuana should be legally distributed through pharmacies just as other drugs are.

"We control amphetamines - my God, we give them to kids for attention-deficit disorder," Wilson said. "Just treat (marijuana) like any other regulated pharmaceutical. I don't see any reason not to do that. I just don't see the reason."

After her tour of the state, Marlowe said she is more hopeful than ever about legal medical marijuana.

"I can smell the finish line," she said. "I'm not going to be a criminal much longer."

 

 

 

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MEDICAL MARIJUANA USE

The most comprehensive review of the possible medical benefits of marijuana is a book-length report, "Marijuana and Medicine," published in 1999 by the Institute of Medicine.

That report, co-written by a researcher at Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center, examined marijuana use with respect to five areas:

n Pain, particularly nerve pain experienced by patients with AIDS and other diseases.

  • Nausea and vomiting, often experienced by chemotherapy patients.
  • Wasting syndrome and loss of appetite, often experienced by AIDS and cancer patients.
  • Neurological symptoms, including muscle spasticity and multiple sclerosis.
  • Glaucoma, excessive pressure in the fluid inside the eye. The condition can cause blindness.

 

 

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photowriter

January 18, 2009 - 7:59 am EST

I was a back pain patient for thirty-five years. I would sometimes spend days on the floor, unable to move without screaming pain. I would take hydrocodone, oxycodone, demerol (sp?), and all other sorts of pain killers. Because these were habit-forming I would only take them for three days and would then have to be off of them for four days. During the four days off I would smoke marijuana to control the pain. It worked as well or better than the pain-killing drugs. Three years ago I had spinal ablation (nerve-burning) and no longer have back pain. I now take no drugs and do not take the marijuana either. But I have seen the value of smoking marijuana for pain and I am convinced this is a very valuable tool that doctors should have in their bag. Marijuana controls back spasms very, very well.

Speegle

January 18, 2009 - 9:00 am EST

Yes! there are plenty of states that have legalized medical marijuana (MMJ). California is the most notable. New MMJ States can look at existing MMJ States to best fashion their legislation and implementation. There will be detractors. But, MMJ successfully treats over 200 illnesses. Cannabis extracts may even cure some forms of cancers. MMJ patients can use vaporizers to avoid tar and other by-products which are inhaled during smoking. Edibles are another option. There will be those who smoke marijuana. Even so, MMJ does not cause cancer. MMJ uniquely treats many illnesses. The NIDA says there's more risk of caffeine addiction than marijuana addiction. No one has ever died using marijuana. Death by marijuana overdose is impossible. Pharmaceutical companies can only dream of producing meds as safe as MMJ. Patients who will benefit from using MMJ deserve to be allowed to use any medicine that will lessen their suffering. Please, be compassionate and allow your fellows to use MMJ. I have spoken with many people who say that MMJ helped them when nothing else worked.

ncb

January 18, 2009 - 9:43 am EST

This was a nice little cheerleading 'reporting' piece. This newspaper is a joke

Speegle

January 18, 2009 - 10:19 am EST

drive by commenting is a cheap trick to demean honest comments. This is what prohibitionists do. They declare war on people to dehumanize them. Then they demean anyone who stands up to this bullying by calling them names or by belittlement. If ncb had something they could really defend they wouldn't be doing cheap sniping. This is the nature of prohibition & prohibitionists. I don't use marijuana, alcohol or tobacco because that's my choice. But, I don't begrudge other people using alcohol, tobacco or marijuana for medicine or recreation, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. This nation has had enough of meddlers who insist on invading the privacy of other people's bedrooms or living rooms. 74 years of counter-productive failure & we still have to put up with this? Check out the TIME POLL in which 87.3% of 208,291 people voted for the legalization of marijuana. 3.1% favored the legalization of marijuana only. http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101021104/ (1/9/2009). Plus, only 11.2% of Americans polled believe the war on drugs is working (2008 Zogby Poll). Prohibition has had it's day & they know it. That's why they're getting even more vicious than they were before. I was a prohibitionist for longer than I care to admit. But, there's hope for anyone who is willing to do honest independent research. The war on some drug users is a self fulfilling disaster & it needs to be stopped, now.

ncb

January 18, 2009 - 11:24 am EST

I shouldve started by stating that I think that marijuana should be legalized completely, with heavy regs and taxes. That said, this paper is a joke and has done nothing but cheerlead their opinions through the disguise of reporting. This is yet another example. I remember last year they had a front page headline taht read: Its getting hotter, and its our fault. Thats an exact quote, not a paraphrase.

Face it, this paper is called the news and fishwrap for a reason

lalexander

January 19, 2009 - 7:56 am EST

Please explain what parts of the article you believe to be "cheerleading" for legalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes.

crashman2u

January 22, 2009 - 7:27 pm EST

Typical of ignorant conservatives. This is why we're hated all over the world. It's people like you are driving this country in the dumpster! Keep thinking the way you do. I bet you cringed when Obama was made president, with you and all your buddies sending your "N" word jokes you think is funny. Thanks to the educated majority ( you excluded), we've all stepped up to change what you and George Bush have done to damage this country and our economy for the middle class and the poor.

I've suffered from horrible pain everyday of my life since 1991 thanks to one of your REPUBLICAN (yes he was) drunks, so don't tell me I can't have a simple plant that relieves my suffering. YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF NERVE! What an uneducated , brainwashed idiot!

jas02879

January 18, 2009 - 4:14 pm EST

It is understandable to have strong opposition to something like medical marijuana. Afterall, citizens have been hearing how dangerous it is for you for several decades and if caught with marijuana, one is given pretty severe punishment. I grew up in a state that legalized medical marijuana (Oregon) and have seen first hand that is does help patients with pain better than perscription drugs. Its hard to believe that people are so opposed to something that is less dangerous than other, legal drugs that are arguably more dangerous (Alcohol and tobacco) because of their potential addictions. I'm not saying that MM is better for you than those two drugs, but it isn't as addictive and studies have proven this issue. If the government would realize how much money could be saved and earned by legalizing marijuana there would be more money in place to educate people about the drug and provide for community development such as schools, infrastructure, etc. I think citizens' perception of the drug is out dated and close minded. Scientific research has shed light about true dangers associated with the drug, yet people are still strongly opposed. The ignorant don't make sense on this issue.

MedicalClarity

January 18, 2009 - 6:02 pm EST

AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS ON MEDICAL CANNABIS

“Given marijuana’s PROVEN EFFICACY [capital letters added] at treating certain symptoms and its relatively low toxicity, reclassification would reduce barriers to research and increase availability of cannabinoid drugs to patients who have failed to respond to other treatments.”

“A CLEAR DISCORD [capital letters added] exists between the scientific community and federal legal and regulatory agencies over the medicinal value of marijuana, which impedes the expansion of research.”

“Evidence not only supports the use of medical marijuana in certain conditions but also suggests numerous indications for cannabinoids…”

"The science on medical marijuana should not be obscured or hindered by the debate surrounding the legalization of marijuana for general use.”

“ACP strongly urges protection from criminal or civil penalties for patients who use medical marijuana as permitted under state laws.”

The American College of Physicians is the largest medical specialty organization and the second largest physician group in the United States, representing 124,000 members specializing in internal medicine and related subspecialties, including cardiology, neurology, pulmonary disease, oncology and infectious diseases.

The ACP publishes "Annals of Internal Medicine", the most widely cited medical specialty journal in the world. Here's a link to their whole position paper on Medical Marijuana/Cannabis, to help tease fact from fiction:

http://www.acponline.org/acp_news/medmarinews.htm

crashman2u

January 21, 2009 - 3:21 pm EST

Wait, a statement form a respectable, no wait, the second largest in the USA, stating it's safe and effective? It's a shame our lawmakers can't read either!

MedicalClarity

January 21, 2009 - 5:51 pm EST

MORE HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS SUPPORTING MEDICAL CANNABIS

And here's a small list of a few more credible health organizations, across the Globe -- in addition to the American College of Physicians --that recognize Cannabis's medical value and support some form of access to Medical Cannabis (I have the position statements and/or supportive quotes from these groups, if anybody would like to know more about a specific group -- I'd love to list all their statements, but I think that would be perceived as excessive):

American Academy of Family Physicians, American Medical Student Association, American Nurses Association, American Preventive Medical Association, American Public Health Association, American Society of Addiction Medicine, Arthritis Research Campaign (United Kingdom), Australian Medical Association (New South Wales), Limited Australian National Task Force on Cannabis, Belgian Ministry of Health, British House of Lords Select Committee on Science and Technology, British House of Lords Select Committee On Science and Technology (First & Second Report), British Medical Association, Canadian AIDS Society, Canadian Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs, Dr. Dean Edell (surgeon and nationally syndicated radio host), French Ministry of Health, Health Canada, Kaiser Permanente, Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, Lymphoma Foundation of America, The Montel Williams MS Foundation, Multiple Sclerosis Society (Canada), The Multiple Sclerosis Society (United Kingdom), National Association for Public Health Policy, National Nurses Society on Addictions, Netherlands Ministry of Health, New South Wales (Australia), New England Journal of Medicine, AIDS Action Council, AIDS Treatment News, Parliamentary Working Party on the Use of Cannabis for Medical Purposes, Dr. Andrew Weil, Alaska Nurses Association, Being Alive: People With HIV/AIDS Action Committee (San Diego, CA), California Academy of Family Physicians, California Nurses Association, California Pharmacists, Colorado Nurses Association, Connecticut Nurses Association, Florida Governor's Red Ribbon Panel on AIDS, Florida Medical Association, Hawaii Nurses Association, Illinois Nurses Association, Life Extension Foundation, Medical Society of the State of New York, the Minnesota AIDS Council, Mississippi Nurses Association, New Jersey State Nurses Association, New Mexico Medical Society, New Mexico Nurses Association, New York County Medical Society, New York State Nurses Association, NORTH CAROLINA NURSES ASSOCIATION, Association, Rhode Island Medical Society, Rhode Island State Nurses Association, San Francisco Mayor's Summit on AIDS and HIV, San Francisco Medical Society, Vermont Medical Marijuana Study Committee, Virginia Nurses Association, Whitman-Walker Clinic (Washington, DC), Wisconsin Nurses Association, etc...

Even the student section of the American Medical Association supports access to Medical Cannabis; so, it's just a matter of time, till the brainwashed, career-oriented, political old crust of the AMA flakes off. And with the recent double-blinds reinforcing the thousand-year history, there is a lot of pressure on the AMA to re-examine their myopic conclusions through a less-political lens.

And that's just a tiny fraction of the medical support, which is now legal in several countries and nearly a quarter (13) of the states in the U.S. If Medical Cannabis is truly a "farce" -- as the medical prohibitionists continue to ignorantly parrot --- why do all these groups support access to it?

How long will we allow OUR government to spend millions and millions of dollars to protect and perpetuate a lie about a medicine with such incredibly low toxicity and and such a wide array of applications (known and potential)?

Finally, here’s a link to a PDF on many of the specific statements & stances of many of the associations of Nurses I listed above:

http://www.ksccc.org/PDF/Nurses_Associations.pdf

(sorry to double-post this, but the 2nd page of comments for this article won't stay up?)

MedicalClarity

January 18, 2009 - 6:43 pm EST

Cannabis has been used medicinally for thousands of years -- by millions of people -- without a credible account of a single death from toxicity, which really is STUPEFYING, considering FDA-approved medications kill thousands of people each year -- even when they are properly prescribed and properly administered. Check out the following JAMA meta-analysis for some pretty alarming stats regarding FATAL Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs):

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/279/15/1200?ijkey=F8guE.zA8WYT...

In the U.S., Cannabis products, especially tinctures, effectively and safely treated a wide array of conditions and symptoms from the mid 1800s until the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 was passed, OVER the objections of the American Medical Association. This corrupt ACT led to Cannabis's illegitimate and irrational removal from the U.S. Pharmacopoeia in 1942.

If you'd like to know more, here's a great "History of Cannabis as a Medicine," by Lester Grinspoon, M.D., Associate Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. The following expert testimony was prepared for DEA hearings in 2005 regarding the FED’s stymieing of cannabis research:

http://www.maps.org/mmj/grinspoon_history_cannabis_medicine.pdf

A little on Dr. Grinspoon:

Dr Grinspoon served for 40 years as Senior Psychiatrist at the Massachusetts Mental Health Center in Boston. A Fellow of both the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the American Psychiatric Association, he was the founding editor of both the "Annual Review of Psychiatry" and the "Harvard Mental Health Letter."

He is the author or coauthor of over 160 journal articles or chapters and 12 books. His first book, "Marihuana Reconsidered", originally published in 1971 by Harvard University Press, was recently republished as a classic. His latest book, "Marihuana, the Forbidden Medicine", co- authored with James B. Bakalar, was published by Yale University Press in 1993 (revised and expanded edition, 1997) and has now been translated into ten languages.

kikablue

January 18, 2009 - 6:49 pm EST

I don't see any reason an adult should be denied relief from suffering. The government has their nose in everyone's business, yet they can't handle their own business in Washington. If Cannabis helps them then leave them alone. If it were you, would you refuse it and take drugs instead that has worse side effects than the illness.90% of the drugs prescribed are more habit forming, and cause more problems than Cannabis ever will. I know a lot of people that use it to control pain, I have seen a big difference in them since they have. And it's all for the better.Just like they said in the article the Government grows their own for research. OH YEAH I BET THEY DO, AND HAVE A BLAST RESEARCHING IT. How do they know it's habit forming they don't inhale. DO THEY?????

connieohyeah

January 18, 2009 - 7:06 pm EST

Mexico is corrupt, and thousands of people are dying there. If nothing else, medicinal marijuana will take money away from the criminals that plague Mexico. The list of benefits of cannabis and hemp is incredibly long. I can't imagine it being trumped by its cons- unless you lobby for the paper and cotton industries.

MedicalClarity

January 18, 2009 - 7:47 pm EST

NIDA-FUNDED EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDY SHOWS NO DETECTABLE MARIJUANA USE AND CANCER CORRELATION (really?):

As Speegle already mentioned, there are many delivery methods or delivery systems -- other than smoking -- to reduce or to completely eliminate any possible respiratory implications with consuming Cannabis, including vaporizers, which heat the Cannabis (marijuana) to a point (typically around 180-190 degrees Celsius) where the beneficial cannabinoids (unique healing compounds found in Cannabis, including THC) are released in a vapor or fine mist, which is inhaled into the lungs. Because vaporization occurs at temperatures much lower than actual combustion, the carcinogenic potential of smoked cannabis is largely reduced. And there are Cannabis butters and oils to cook and bake with; tinctures and tonics; teas and smoothies; patches and even suppositories; creams and rubs; chocolates and candies: ice cream and spaghetti (or your favorite food); and even pills (with all the beneficial compounds known as cannabinoids, not just one of the cannabinoids, like the not-too-effective synthetic THC known as Marinol.) There also is a mouth spray made from natural extracts from Cannabis that is available in Canada.

And while smoking Cannabis can lead to chronic bronchitis, increased coughing and increased phlegm, it does appear, at this point, that Speegle is also correct in saying that smoking Cannabis does NOT cause cancer. Here's a little from the FEDS' expert on the respiratory risks of smoking Cannabis:

“Contrary to our expectations, we found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung or UAT (upper aero-digestive tract) cancer.”

“Associations of marijuana use with the study cancers are not strong and may be below detectable limits for this type of study.”

"We did not observe a positive association of [marijuana] use — even heavy long-term use — with lung ca[ncer], controlling for tob[acco] smoking and other potential confounders.”

“Even lifetime use totaling 20,000 cannabis cigarettes did not result in an increase in risk of lung cancer."

—Tashkin, D., et al., “Marijuana Use and the Risk of Lung and Upper Aerodigestive Tract Cancers: Results of a Population-Based Case-Control Study,” Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention, October 2006 & "Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study," presentation at the 2005 meeting of the International Cannabinoid Research Society Conference

I know it is hard to believe; so here's a 2-part interview with noted federal researcher and pulmonary specialist from the UCLA Geffen School of Medicine, Dr. Donald Tashkin:

Part 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJmQ16cGBHU

Part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6pBw0bgmgA&feature=related

Groch1

January 18, 2009 - 9:27 pm EST

More attention should be focused on developing a test that can be used to instantly measure acute THC levels in the bloodstream. The federal government says marijuana is just too dangerous to be legal. After a few years of studying as a medical student, it is abundantly clear that alcohol is far more dangerous than the THC in marijuana. So if alcohol is more dangerous, why isn't marijuana legal? There are many reasons, but one important reason is that there is currently no way to instantly measure THC levels in the bloodstream of motorists. I strongly believe that once such a test is developed, the federal government will legalize and control marijuana. There are several physiological problems with developing a test that can measure THC levels instantaneously, but efforts should be made to overcome these issues. Secondly, in those using marijuana medicinally, vaporizers should be made readily available to bypass issues associated with malignancy. Although some of the therapeutic benefits of marijuana are questionable, I feel that there is a very strong argument for legalizing and controlling marijuana as soon as blood levels can be accurately measured and the drug can be consumed without the risk of malignancy.

MedicalClarity

January 18, 2009 - 9:57 pm EST

Groch1-

This is about Medical Marijuana, not general legalization.

But it would be great if there was a test that could immediately determine the exact levels of THC, the most psychoactive of the cannabinoids, as current tests (saliva, blood, urine, hair) cannot determine whether the person used the Cannabis one hour or one month ago.

But patients should not have to wait until this technology is developed. If a driver exhibits erratic behavior, speeds, or causes an accident while impaired on Cannabis (established by test or admission) -- even if it is recommended by their doctor -- there is a very good chance they will be charged with DWI or DUI.

We should continue to treat Cannabis the same way we treat other medications: it is up to the physician to determine whether the person should be driving. But if a patient is impaired by Cannabis, they should avoid driving, chain saws or baby-sitting. But after a patient uses Cannabis for a while, they are usually able to determine what they can or cannot do. Many patients find Cannabis to be a lot less disabling than normal FDA-options.

As far as real public threats on our highways, I'd be a lot more concerned about all the patients driving around on valium, xanax, oxycontin, fentanyl, etc....especially without their doctors explaining how profoundly disabling these drugs can be.

Oh, what "malignancy" are you talking about?

Groch1

January 19, 2009 - 12:48 am EST

You're right, I'm talking more about general legalization. Of course I agree with all of your comments, but I think there is a certain approach that should be made toward this issue in order to change the viewpoint of the federal government. The federal government continues to prosecute individuals who use medical marijuana even in states where it is legal. Despite some evidence suggesting people actually drive with a 'higher focus' while under the influence of marijuana, without a shadow of a doubt motorists are the primary concern of the federal government. I find it a little discouraging that those who advocate the use of medical marijuana fail to recognize this in their endeavor toward legalization. Surely an instant blood test for THC would make the federal government ease off, and those using medical marijuana wouldn't have to constantly worry about being prosecuted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm with you on all of your comments. It's just too bad the federal government can't see things the way we do.

The malignancies I am referring to are those associated with the carcinogens in smoke. These can cause cancers of the mouth, pharynx, larynx, esophagus, lungs, etc. The use of a vaporizer would eliminate this threat.

MedicalClarity

January 19, 2009 - 2:38 am EST

We agree that a good vaporizer or other alternate delivery methods, like tinctures or edibles, are the best route for most patients, to reduce any potential respiratory implications. Many Medical Cannabis patients have never used marijuana recreationally and have never smoked anything; and many find the Cannabis smoke too harsh for their lungs (and they may be justifiably concerned about the dangers of smoking anything). So, it is great there are many delivery options. The high-end vaporizers work great but are costly.

However, for many patients, smoking Cannabis is the most effective delivery method; and this might always be the case for them. And for the record, the dangers of smoking Cannabis have been greatly overstated and wrongly conflated with the dangers from tobacco smoke, which is more harmful in a "statistically significant" manner (tobacco smoke is causally related to approx 400,000 deaths per year).

But with regard to Cannabis smoke and its cancer potential, the FED's leading "harms-based" pulmonary researcher, Dr. Donald Tashkin, recently concluded -- or should I say -- admitted (with great integrity):

“Contrary to our expectations, we found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung or UAT (upper aero-digestive tract) cancer.”

“Associations of marijuana use with the study cancers are not strong and may be below detectable limits for this type of study.”

"We did not observe a positive association of [marijuana] use — even heavy long-term use — with lung ca[ncer], controlling for tob[acco] smoking and other potential confounders.”

“Even lifetime use totaling 20,000 cannabis cigarettes did not result in an increase in risk of lung cancer." [END QUOTE FROM DR TASHKIN]

Bottom line: "Cannabis and tobacco smoke are not equally carcinogenic," according to Robert Melamede, Ph.D - cannabinoid researcher and retired chair of University of Colorado @ CO Springs Bio Dep't.

Dr. Melamede concluded in his insightful and informative analysis of tobacco and Cannabis smoke:

"While both tobacco and cannabis smoke have similar properties chemically, their pharmacological activities differ greatly. Components of cannabis smoke minimize some carcinogenic pathways whereas tobacco smoke enhances some. Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke.

However, cannabis typically down-regulates immunologically-generated free radical production by promoting a Th2 immune cytokine profile. Furthermore, THC inhibits the enzyme necessary to activate some of the carcinogens found in smoke. In contrast, tobacco smoke increases the likelihood of carcinogenesis by overcoming normal cellular checkpoint protective mechanisms through the activity of respiratory epithelial cell nicotine receptors. Cannabinoids receptors have not been reported in respiratory epithelial cells (in skin they prevent cancer), and hence the DNA damage checkpoint mechanism should remain intact after prolonged cannabis exposure. Furthermore, nicotine promotes tumor angiogenesis whereas cannabis inhibits it."

Here's a link to Dr. Melamede's paper:

http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/21

Groch1

January 19, 2009 - 11:03 am EST

No doubt smoking marijuana is less dangerous than smoking tobacco. As you point out some have used this information to conclude that smoking marijuana is safe. Marijuana smoke should not be considered safe, rather it should only be considered safer than smoking tobacco. Both marijuana smoke and tobacco smoke have been linked to various forms of cancer, only the association is stronger with tobacco smoke. Admittedly there are many research groups that have found no association between marijuana smoke and cancer, however, there are just as many research groups who have found a positive association. A recent epidemiological report concluded that there simply is not enough evidence, or there are too many confounding factors to reach a definitive conclusion concerning marijuana smoke and cancer risk.

Even after all of this debate I still think it's clear that marijuana should be allowed for medicinal purposes. Clearly more research has been performed on marijuana use than on say... Vioxx, a drug that has been blamed for the deaths of many people. There has never been a single death due to marijuana use or overdose. It is by far one of the safest drugs known, and should be legalized and regulated just as any other drug.

MedicalClarity

January 19, 2009 - 5:25 pm EST

While it is possible that we will see a causal relationship between marijuana and cancer develop over time, as chronic Cannabis users (baby-boomers and Generation Jones) age and die, at this point, the largest population-based case-control study performed to date, Dr. Tashkin's work, showed that Cannabis does NOT cause lung or UAT cancer. This fact should not be obscured.

Again, Tashkin's work is the largest case-contol study ever done. And it was Tashkin's initial research (he's been THE "harms-based" researcher for the FEDS for decades) that federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used for years to make the case that the drug causes cancer and is extremely dangerous (the "pre-cancerous changes" came from Dr. Tashkin's earlier work).

But Dr. Tashkin had the integrity not to "cook" his results for political reasons, when the conclusions contradicted his hypothesis.

Dr Tashkin's work reinforces several other recent studies:

1. A 2001 John Hopkins University hospital-based case-control study that found neither "lifetime use" nor "ever use" of cannabis were associated with head, neck or lung cancer in younger adults.("Marijuana Use is not Associated With Head, Neck or Lung Cancer in Adults Younger Than 55 Years: Results of a Case Cohort Study"
(Daniel E. Ford, M.D., M.P.H. H.T. Vu, C. Hauer, K.L. Helzlsouer, J.C. Anthony - Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine)

2. A 2004 University of Washington case-control study that found "no association" between cannabis use and incidents of oral cancer, regardless of how long, how much or how often individuals had used it.("No Association Between Pot Use And Oral Cancer" Stephen Schwartz, Fred Hutchinson - Public Health Sciences Division, University of Washington, 2004)

3. A 1997 Kaiser Permanente retrospective cohort study that found that cannabis use was not associated with increased risks of developing tobacco-use related cancers of the lung and upper aerodigestive tract or other cancers in men and women who used marijuana but did not smoke tobacco. ( "Marijuana use and cancer incidence (California, United States)" Authors: Sidney S.1; Quesenberry C.P..J.1; Friedman G.D.1; Tekawa I.S.1
Source: Cancer Causes and Control, Volume 8, Number 5, 1997 , pp. 722-728(7) Publisher: Springer)

So, while I agree patients should first try alternate delivery methods to smoking, to reduce any potential respiratory implications (like chronic bronchitis), smoking might be the most effective delivery method for a variety of patients and conditions. The technology behind vaporizers is still pretty young; and more effective, less expensive models hopefully are around the corner.

In conclusion, since the most definitive studies have not been able to demonstrate a causal relationship between smoking Cannabis and Cancer, it is misleading and manipulative to continue to conflate cancer/malignancy with Cannabis smoking.

Groch1

January 19, 2009 - 6:53 pm EST

"it is misleading and manipulative to continue to conflate cancer/malignancy with Cannabis smoking." You know as well as I do that this statement is absolutely not true. There are hundreds of studies that associate smoking marijuana with various cancers (not just lung cancer), and I am sure you have come across them. While THC itself has been shown to have anti-tumor properties, the marijuana smoke has been associated with various other forms of cancer. Furthermore, marijuana smokers have been shown definitively to have increased expression of the Ki-67 proliferation marker, an immunohistochemical marker that is very strongly associated with malignancy.

It is probably misleading to claim EITHER that marijuana smoking causes cancer OR that it prevents it. No claims can be made definitively until conclusive systematic reviews are performed.

BUT, Don't forget that the following comments were made in the newspaper article you just read.

"The report raised concerns about the long-term health effects of smoking marijuana, which, like
tobacco, is associated with an increased risk of cancer. Such long-term risks probably don't matter for
patients who already are dying, the report noted."

"For one thing, it may help patients for whom other drugs are ineffective or cause intolerable side
effects. Its own side effects are relatively minor, the long-term cancer risk aside."

With boards coming up soon, I've got work to do, but do not manipulate the facts to support your own opinion. If you truly want to further your cause, proceed in an objective and unbiased manner, and if what you believe is truly correct you will prevail.

MedicalClarity

January 19, 2009 - 8:10 pm EST

Bottom line is the most definitive studies to date have NOT been able to demonstrate a causal link between smoking Cannabis and Cancer. Zero Causation. Period.

While there may be a hidden or undiscovered potential for cancer, this potential has not yet been demonstrated, at all, after several large and long-term trials; so, talking about Cannabis's "malignancy" is indeed misleading (as there is no proven "malignancy" at all).

I guess I don't know if you intend to mislead, so I should not presume you are being "manipulative." I am sorry for that one.

But, at this point, the bulk of the real research has indeed shown that it does NOT appear smoking Cannabis causes cancer, at all. I'd take a look a Dr. Melamede's paper for some insight, because it seems you're not understanding the underlying Science.

BTW, where do you go to medical school? I hope they aren't depriving of the latest in research.

One last time:

"We did not observe a positive association of [marijuana] use — even heavy long-term use — with lung ca[ncer], controlling for tob[acco] smoking and other potential confounders.”

“Even lifetime use totaling 20,000 cannabis cigarettes did not result in an increase in risk of lung cancer."
— Tashkin, D.P.,

Groch1

January 19, 2009 - 8:50 pm EST

Unfortunately your bias is not allowing you to understand what I am saying. It's not just lung cancer that marijuana smokers should worry about. There are various other forms of cancer that have been shown to have a causal link to smoking marijuana. I have to assume you know this and are simply neglecting to admit the truth. The truth being.. some studies have shown a causal link between marijuana smoke and cancer, while others have failed to show a link. For some reason you are choosing only to recognize the latter. I implore you to be more objective and look at the big picture.

Cancer issues aside, marijuana smoke has more toxic chemicals than tobacco smoke. Furthermore, long term use has been associated with increased incidence of cardiovascular diseases. You may not consider wikipedia a valid source, but there are more than enough citations on the following quote to support my point. This is under the 'health issues' section.

"Smoking of cannabis is the most harmful method of consumption, since the combination of inhalation of smoke from organic materials such as tobacco, wood, gasoline and cannabis can cause various health problems. However, recent studies have shown that using a vaporizer for cannabis consumption appears to eliminate almost all of the health problems and objections related to cannabis use.[21][22][23][24][25]"

As far as the science is concerned it appears you're the one that doesn't quite get it. Marijuana smoke has all of the chemical ingredients that have been proven to cause cancer (even lung cancer). Anyone who truly understands the science would have no choice but to caution against smoking marijuana. As far as the latest research is concerned.. if I had as much time on my hands as you seem to have I could pull up just as many research studies from the last two years showing links between marijuana smoking and various forms of cancer.

So stop wasting your time. I have access to the same articles you do. The only difference is I am choosing to recognize all of the research that has been performed to date, while you only recognize the research that supports your agenda.

Bottom line, as a future healthcare provider I will gladly support the use of medicinal marijuana as long as it is consumed in a safe manner. Primum non nocere.

""""""""""""""Primum non nocere is a Latin phrase that means "First, not to harm." The phrase is sometimes recorded as primum nil nocere. The phrase expresses one of the principal precepts all medical students are taught in medical school and is a fundamental principle for the emergency medical services of the nations of the world. It reminds the physician and other health care providers that he or she must consider the possible harm that any intervention might do. This is most often mentioned when debating use of an intervention with an obvious chance of harm but a less certain chance of benefit. Since at least 1860, the phrase has been for physicians a hallowed expression of hope, intention, humility and recognition that human acts with good intentions may have unwanted consequences.""""""""""""""

MedicalClarity

January 19, 2009 - 8:58 pm EST

NO CAUSATION BETWEEN CANNABIS SMOKING AND CANCER

It's quite surprising that Cannabis smoke does not have the same positive association with Cancer as tobacco does; but I've been following this particular part of the debate for the last 20-years and am well versed with the latest research and conclusions.

What studies are you referring to (Cancer from Cannabis)? Most of the past research that speculated about precancerous changes was turned on its head by Dr Tashkin's more recent conclusions. Where did you say you went to Med School?

Groch1

January 19, 2009 - 9:11 pm EST

Wow, your bias is really clouding your judgment. I'm surprised you want to know so badly where I go to school. Would the answer somehow add to this (somewhat meaningless) debate? You are failing to see the key point. Marijuana smoke contains toxins that can damage lung parenchyma. Any physician would advocate a safe method of delivery. I can't believe I'm wasting so much time on this and lowering myself to your level, but here is a study from 1998 that found a causal link between smoking marijuana and lung cancer:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18238947?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSys...

Here is the abstract:
The aim of the present study was to determine the risk of lung cancer associated with cannabis smoking. A case-control study of lung cancer in adults less than or equal to 55 yrs of age was conducted in eight district health boards in New Zealand. Cases were identified from the New Zealand Cancer Registry and hospital databases. Controls were randomly selected from the electoral roll, with frequency matching to cases in 5-yr age groups and district health boards. Interviewer-administered questionnaires were used to assess possible risk factors, including cannabis use. The relative risk of lung cancer associated with cannabis smoking was estimated by logistic regression. In total, 79 cases of lung cancer and 324 controls were included in the study. The risk of lung cancer increased 8% (95% confidence interval (CI) 2-15) for each joint-yr of cannabis smoking, after adjustment for confounding variables including cigarette smoking, and 7% (95% CI 5-9) for each pack-yr of cigarette smoking, after adjustment for confounding variables including cannabis smoking. The highest tertile of cannabis use was associated with an increased risk of lung cancer (relative risk 5.7 (95% CI 1.5-21.6)), after adjustment for confounding variables including cigarette smoking. In conclusion, the results of the present study indicate that long-term cannabis use increases the risk of lung cancer in young adults.

There are several others the show links between smoking marijuana and other forms of cancer.

LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. I don't have time to continue this debate.

MedicalClarity

January 19, 2009 - 9:15 pm EST

Hippocrates would demand that a physician give a patient the least toxic or the least fatal substance to treat a set of symptoms or conditions. If Hippocrates were around today, he'd be kicking some FDA/Big Pharma/Complicit doctor-@$$, if he knew how fatal our medications had become (you mentioned Vioxx, Groch1. well, it killed close to 30,000 people in just a few years, from sudden cardiac "events," according to the FDA; and some experts say those figures are actually low). And Cannabis has never killed from toxicity!

In the words of DEA Judge Francis L. Young

“Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known … The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision. It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for [the] DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance."

— Francis L. Young, DEA Chief Administrative Law Judge, 1988

And to close with the American Public Health Administration:

“[M]arijuana has an extremely wide acute margin of safety for use under medical supervision and cannot cause lethal reactions … [G]reater harm is caused by the legal consequences of its prohibition than possible risks of medicinal use."

-- American Public Health Association, Resolution #9513, "Access to Therapeutic Marijuana/Cannabis," 1995

Groch1

January 19, 2009 - 9:30 pm EST

You basically elaborated on a comment that I already made:

"Clearly more research has been performed on marijuana use than on say... Vioxx, a drug that has been blamed for the deaths of many people. There has never been a single death due to marijuana use or overdose. It is by far one of the safest drugs known, and should be legalized and regulated just as any other drug."

I think you will admit that a physician should do what is safest for the patient. That is certainly the approach I will take when I recommend the use of vaporizers.

So now that this debate seems to have come full circle I'm going to sign off. It was a pleasure discussing this topic with you. I hope it was a learning experience for both of us.

Regards,
Chris Groat

MedicalClarity

January 19, 2009 - 10:14 pm EST

I am quite familiar with the New Zealand study you just threw up.

In this relatively small study, the increased risk for Cancer was limited to the 14 subjects in the study with the highest exposure to cannabis (more than one joint per day for 10 years). The study concluded these 14 subjects had a 5.7 times higher relative risk of lung cancer compared to controls.The European Respiratory Journal, assessed the relative risk of lung cancer associated with marijuana smoking in 79 cases and 324 controls. Of the 79 cases in the study, 70 reported smoking tobacco and 21 smoked cannabis.

While the risk for cancer for just one person should be taken seriously, the results of this tiny NZ study (the risk was based on 14 subjects) have been buried by much larger studies that failed to to demonstrate any significant causal relationship between Cannabis smoking and Cancer, including:

1. The aforementioned Federally-funded UCLA study of more than 2,200 subjects (1,212 cases and 1,040 controls) reported that marijuana smoking was not positively associated with cancers of the lung or upper aerodigestive tract – even among individuals who reported smoking more than 22,000 joints during their lifetime.

2. The aforementioned Johns Hopkins University study of 164 oral cancer patients and 526 controls also concluded, "The balance of the evidence … does not favor the idea that marijuana as commonly used in the community is a causal factor for head, neck or lung cancer in adults [under age 55.]"

3. And the aforementioned 1997 Kaiser Permanente retrospective cohort study examining the relationship of marijuana use and cancer incidence in 65,171 men and women in California found that cannabis use was not associated with increased risks of developing tobacco-use related cancers – including lung cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, colorectal cancer, or melanoma.

Again, that's 65,171 cannabis users and no increased rates of cancer.

That said, we do agree that alternate delivery methods are the best way to go, because I acknowledge there is a possibility that we will begin to see a positive causal relationship between Cannabis smoking and Cancer develop in the near future (but I doubt it). And I understand there are other respiratory implications, like chronic bronchitis, in chronic smokers; so there are real distinct harms (usually outweighed by the benefits, imho).

I am following the potential harm, especially cancer, carefully (that's why I too was initially alarmed by the NZ study you referenced). But I also think we need to follow the possible anti-cancer effects, too:

“There is recent evidence from cell culture systems and animal models that 9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the principal psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, and other cannabinoids may inhibit the growth of some tumors by modulating key signaling pathways leading to growth arrest and cell death, as well as inhibiting tumor angiogenesis…antitumoral associations have been observed for several types of malignancies including brain, prostate, thyroid, lung, and breast.”

— Tashkin, D., et al., “Marijuana Use and the Risk of Lung and Upper Aerodigestive Tract Cancers: Results of a Population-Based Case-Control Study,” Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention, October 2006

It's been a stimulating discussion. Tx Chris,

Marika B.

MedicalClarity

January 20, 2009 - 1:29 am EST

I already posted this, but I can't get the 2nd page to stay up for more than a second. And this is pretty amazing and relevant information to the Cannabis & Cancer discussion:

CANNABINOIDS: POTENTIAL ANTICANCER AGENTS - Manuel Guzmán Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology I, School of Biology, Complutense University, 28040 Madrid, Spain

http://www.americanmarijuana.org/Guzman-Cancer.pdf

Information worth repeating...

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