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Beware the video poker pitch

I'm just not going for this:

"RALEIGH – As state officials are tallying the accounting books to determine how much money Dell Computers owes the state after accepting millions in economic incentives and then closing their facility and laying off 905 workers, the Entertainment Group of North Carolina says today a regulated and taxed video gaming industry could generate 6,000 new jobs in the state."

Yeah, the Entertainment Group of North Carolina is Johnny-on-the-spot. Losing Dell? No problem. We can do better by plugging into video gaming.

"A state regulated and taxed video gaming business could create up to 6,000 new jobs across North Carolina and generate up to $500 million in new revenue without raising taxes. And the video gaming industry isn’t asking for any state incentives."

So says a news release from EGNC.

I may need some help from Andy Brod on this, but I think video gaming as an economic development opportunity is a crock.

Where will the money come from to create 6,000 jobs?

It's easy to see where the money came from (besides incentives) to create jobs at the Dell plant. People throughout the country send money to Dell, Dell sends them computers. Because most of these customers lived outside North Carolina, the purchases represented net income for the state as a whole.

Somehow, I doubt many people will be coming from out of state to play video poker in North Carolina convenience stores. Most of the money feeding the machines will be North Carolina money. If it weren't spent on video gaming, it likely would be spent for other goods, services, entertainment or whatnot here in North Carolina. So what would be spent on video gaming would produce a gain for that industry but a loss for other enterprises and no overall net gain for North Carolina's economy. Likewise, new jobs related to video gaming would reduce employment by a similar number in other enterprises corresponding to the loss of revenue for other business.

The state could enact special taxes on video gaming to increase its own revenue. That's simple enough. But that's not likely to benefit the economy -- just the people or agencies who end up on the receiving end of state spending, at the expense of the people from whose pockets the tax is taken.

A lot of people are angry and upset about Dell right now. It's easy to exploit raw emotions with a pitch for some other scheme that promoters say will create jobs and produce an economic benefit.

Beware. Compared to video gaming, Dell was a good deal, at least while it lasted.

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Doug

October 9, 2009 - 4:16 pm EDT

I should have provided a link to the group's Web site:

http://www.ncamusement.org/

Connie Mack Jr

October 10, 2009 - 12:15 am EDT

but I think video gaming as an economic development opportunity is a crock.* Doug

No doubt the local gaming industry or special interest lobby has not heard how much business Vegas has lost in the last two years! Do you really believe these economic Ponzi Wizs think that North Carolina is a gaming Paradise with tons of folks out of work and the Great Depression looming on them like a Wolf dining with a Lamb?

Connie Mack Jr

October 10, 2009 - 12:22 am EDT

I guess the Video Gaming lobby has not heard of Vegas declining market for the 2 nd straight year!

http://www.lvrj.com/news/breaking_news/Las-Vegas-visitor-numbers-down-ag...

Interested

October 10, 2009 - 7:35 am EDT

Is what has happened in Vegas not what has happened throughout the nation? I would wager that when the rest of the economy rebounds Vegas, and Jersey, and Connecticut, etc., will as well.

Andrew Brod

October 10, 2009 - 9:38 am EDT

Doug, I'd say your instincts are spot on. It might be true that this industry could employ 6000 jobs and generate $500 million in tax revenue, but for those to be NET increases people would have to spend money on video poker that they wouldn't otherwise spend. In other words, when entertainment budgets are approximately fixed (and I'm not even factoring in the recession), more money spent on video poker means less money spent on movies, bowling, etc. The most likely outcome is a wash, or something close to that.

Now, the caveat here is the potential for video poker in North Carolina to draw in video gamblers from other states. If the video poker group is basing its claim on spending by visitors from Virginia, South Carolina, etc. (net of what tourists from those states already spend here!), then there's a chance for video poker to have an economic impact here. But those are pretty big numbers for this to be the case.

Andrew Brod

October 10, 2009 - 9:40 am EDT

I meant to note that you already addressed the out-of-state angle, but I couldn't get back in to edit my comment.

Doug

October 10, 2009 - 12:00 pm EDT

Thanks, Andy.

dcarlallen

October 12, 2009 - 10:41 am EDT

Doug

Did you have all these same thoughts about the lottery.All these same people and many more are playing the lottery every day.I believe I read in this newspaper that a senator from Greensboro was in favor of the state getting 20% of all video gaming profits.If this could be done between the state and the companys that own these video gaming machines I think the state would greatly benifit because this would not be ran by some out of state firm that is now getting a big part of our lottery proceeds.Convenience stores,sports bars,local machine operators as well as the state would greatly benefit and would need additional employees.The monies from these proceeds would in return be spent,hopefully in our state and everyone would benefit.

Danny Allen

Doug

October 12, 2009 - 10:53 am EDT

Danny,

Yes, I've made all the arguments against the lottery, of which I am an intractable opponent.

I don't see any net economic benefit for North Carolina from video poker, even if the industry is controlled by North Carolina companies -- unless they run video poker machines in other states and pull profits into North Carolina.

You're thinking of state Rep. Earl Jones of Greensboro, the champion of video poker.

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