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New Haven case: 5-4

The U.S. Supreme Court rules for white and Hispanic firefighters suing New Haven, Conn., for denying their promotions because black candidates did not qualify under a written test administered to all.

The decision was only by a 5-4 margin, with the usual conservative/liberal split. The majority opinion was authored by Anthony Kennedy. It found New Haven violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of race.

The issues get complicated after that.

An interesting twist here is that the decision overturns an appeals court panel that included Sonia Sotomayor.

More later, maybe.

 

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DrMaryJohnson

June 29, 2009 - 12:31 pm EDT

Well, that's just embarrassing for the "wise Latina".

Doug

June 29, 2009 - 12:55 pm EDT

It was embarrassing that her COA panel simply rubberstamped the lower court's decision without further analysis, and that the full COA very nearly overruled its own panel. People can read today's SC decision and draw their own conclusions, but it was hard to get any sense of Sotomayor's thinking on this interesting case.

Dogwood

June 29, 2009 - 3:05 pm EDT

I guess the "test" is secured so that the public will never see what skills a rescue firefighing commander must at least be over 50% to lead a squad that are in harms way everyday to save lives. Was the test just a common personality leadership test or a skills knowledge test? Passing by anything other than ability crumbles life.

tonymo

June 29, 2009 - 4:19 pm EDT

How in the name of God was this NOT a 9-0 case. It's simply further proof that liberals place their ideology over the laws of our country. This was a very simple case of people being denied promotions they earned simply because of racial politics. It is a sickness, perpetuated by the left, for 40 years.

No one had an advantage by the nature of the test. Everyone started from the same point. Some worked harder than others, and some were better at their jobs, which the test was based on. This sickness that says promotions should be "awarded" to those not qualified because they happen to be the "right" color, or have friends in the right place, or the NAACP demands it happen that way.

This is simply further prood that many liberal justices ignore the law in their obsession with diversity, empathy, or any of other factors other than laws of our country. This is another reason that Mrs. Sotomayor has no business being on the Supreme Court, or any appeals court as she obviously has no regard for our laws!

How can a society survive when the courts, and even the president have no regard for our Constitution?

Doug

June 30, 2009 - 9:28 am EDT

The "sound bite" from Justice Ginsburg's dissent is this:

"The white firefighters who scored high on New Haven’s promotional exams understandably attract this Court’s sympathy. But they had no vested right to promotion. Nor have other persons received promotions in preference to them."

I don't get it. By denying them promotion, New Haven was saying, in effect, that some black firefighters DID have a vested right to promotion. While New Haven did not promote any of those firefighters, it clearly was looking for a way to do so -- which I have to assume would have met with the approval of the four dissenting justices. It seems to me they would endorse racial discrimination in favor of black applicants over white and Hispanic applicants. The majority, in contrast, reads the CRA has prohibiting racial favoritism unless there's very strong justification.

Doug Johnson

June 30, 2009 - 5:12 am EDT

Tonymo, I understand that all of them rejected Sotomayor ruling.

Dogwood

June 30, 2009 - 5:30 pm EDT

Justice Gingsburg really needs to explain "no vested right to promotion and no person has received a promotion in preference to them" Gingsburg is correct. New Haven City Government trashed a skill knowlege leadership test due to fear of a EEOC lawsuit. Fix it. Five justices did some. I remember back in the early 1900's a Yale professor wrote about negroes being on the lower end of the BELL Curve, unable to learn. Do not reinforce this myth. I find her reasoning about at the level of the old fool professor. All brains look the same all blood is red all men and women are created by God. None are dumber or smarter than another Just those that study and those that do not. African-Americans should be insulted Gingsburg (2009) reasons slavery caused lack of reading writing skills and promotion should have been a reward for flunking a test that no one knows what the questions were.

lexalexander

July 1, 2009 - 9:44 am EDT

SCOTUSBlog's analysis of the ruling suggests a couple of things: 1) The appeals-court ruling of which Sotomayor was a part simply followed what was, up 'til this case, binding 2nd Circuit precedent. Whatever else it might have been, It was not "judicial activism." 2) The majority opinion made clear that this area of law was both complicated and unsettled -- something over which reasonable people, in the absence of any previous Supreme Court direction, could disagree. So this case wasn't a slam dunk in either direction, and even among the majority, only Justice Alito came anywhere close to suggesting otherwise.

Accordingly, there may be good reasons not to confirm Sotomayor, but the ruling in which she joined in this case was not one of them.

lexalexander

July 1, 2009 - 9:45 am EDT

Doug

July 1, 2009 - 11:34 am EDT

Thanks, Lex. Good to hear from you.

No, this hardly constitutes grounds to deny her confirmation when four sitting justices of the court endorsed her position in the case, more or less.

tonymo

July 1, 2009 - 1:57 pm EDT

George Will got it exactly right, not only in this instance, but every instance when liberal justices interject thire own flawed worldview on the rest of us:

"Although New Haven's firefighters deservedly won in the Supreme Court, it is deeply depressing that they won narrowly -- 5 to 4. The egregious behavior by that city's government, in a context of racial rabble-rousing, did not seem legally suspect to even one of the court's four liberals, whose harmony seemed to reflect result-oriented rather than law-driven reasoning."

I've been saying this throughout my entire adult life as I've watched liberals fight discrimination (to their credit) against one class, but demand discrimination (to their detriment) against other classes not of THEIR choosing. This goes way past hypocrisy to being a mental defect!

Andrew Clark

July 1, 2009 - 6:01 pm EDT

I don't understand how some of the justices who ruled the way you wanted acknowledge that the law is complicated in this issue, and yet you say someone disagreeing must have a mental defect. In this post you sounded like a reasonable person until then.

This is a complicated issue. For example, I think it's hardly reasonable to say that white people are more often the victims of discrimination. I was born 13 years after MLK was shot, and I've seen a lot of discrimination against minorities, but I've never faced any because of my skin color. Simply put, there isn't equal status.

Beyond that, it's complicated if what New Haven did was illegal, even if what it were wrong. I think they were correct to end the practice of weighing the written test so much, but doing that after people were told that was the measure was wrong. (As a side note, what person can seriously think that a written test will give you a good measure of who the best firefighter is?). Still, I think the intentions were not so bad. African-Americans in particular and minorities in general do face difficulties based on their skin color, and because of the past institutionalized discrimination. A group that has been systematically denied education and opportunity for centuries does not magically land on a level playing field after a year or two, or even after a generation. It's also true, I think, that even if there is bias against someone for being white, while a bad thing, it's simply not as bad as bias against someone who's black because the weight of history and the slavery and lynchings and all the other things that historically have gone with the discrimination do matter. It's the same reason that a German saying something nasty about Jews is a lot more disturbing than the other way around. History matters. Now Tony, I perfectly understand if you disagree with that, and that's fine. However, to hold that someone who disagrees with you is somehow deranged is, to be frank, extraordinarily childish. I think it's also a bit ridiculous to think, as some have contended, that discrimination against white people is a widespread problem. After all, look at the faces of those in power. Sure, there's a black president now, so that means only 98% of our presidents have been white. There's only one black person in the senate, not that many in the House, and very few black governors. The pattern is the same in business.

As I said, I understand why the ruling was close. I agree with what Ginsburg wrote, and don't that what Dad quoted above leads to the conclusion that she was saying black firefighters had a right to a promotion (I think that was a logical fallacy on his part). The majority opinion wasn't too bad, but Alito's concurrence was. His opinion was based on not only very serious and baseless accusations against the mayor of New Haven, but also a complete breakdown of logic.

tonymo

July 2, 2009 - 2:12 pm EDT

Thanks Andrew, for making my point! Did I say, or infer, that discrimination against white men was widespread? Once again we are required to suffer through a history lesson concerning discrimination as a diversion from the facts of the outrageous case where those who earned promotions were denied them simply because they were (mostly) white. The outrageous decision was made worse by mindless liberal judges saying the case was not even worth of review. Sounds more like the Soviet Union, so very loved and admired by liberals, than the United States.

This was another example of the paternal liberals believing that when large numbers of their sacred cows don't pass tests for promotions, or anything else, that the test is necessarily discriminatory. Hey bro, how much is 2+2? That be 5! Can't ask that question because it's racially discriminatory! Every test given today by any government entity is run through every kind of review by every civil rights agency on earth to make certain the test is fair, but liberals continue to blame minority failures on discrimination. I'm sick of it, as should be all Americans.

As for the small numbers of blacks in the senate, or in governorships go take a look at the voting patterns in the Pa. governors race, and the Maryland senate race where in each was a black candidate. Take a look and see from where most of the support for the black candidates came. From white conservative areas! Guess where their least support came from. From white liberal areas! You have a truly distorted worldview. Let me give you a little history lesson. Approximately 30 years ago we had a little program called "race norming." Very simply, on tests involving any government entity points were added to scores of blacks! Why, because paternaistic white liberals considered being born black a handicap! That blacks couldn't succed on their own. That they needed (need) help from their liberal nannies!

Andrew Clark

July 2, 2009 - 4:43 pm EDT

"Did I say, or infer, that discrimination against white men was widespread?"

I think you meant imply. But yes, you said liberals "demand discrimination against a class not of their choosing." Since there are a lot of liberals, I don't know how I was expected to come to another conclusion. Earlier you said "many liberal justices ignore the law in their obsession with diversity..." so the use of the word "many" does lead me to infer that you consider the problem is widespread.

As to the rest of your post you seem to be saying liberals want give preferential treatment to black people, but in the last paragraph you offer evidence to the contrary in terms of voting in those two elections. In those cases ideology and party affiliation seem to have been more important to liberals than race (those black candidates you refer to were both Republican). I'm also not blaming minority failures solely on discrimination, I'm simply pointing to it as a factor. If you pay attention to what I write here one of the constant themes of my posts is that I try to point out the complexity of issues and why in so many cases they aren't so black and white (no pun intended). That's the case here. Discrimination is a cause, not the cause, of the below average socio-economic status of the African-American community compared to the population at large. I think the debate among reasonable people is how significant that cause is at this point in time. People on the right tend to argue less, people on the left, more. I think anyone who pretends it doesn't cause problems for minorities at all, or that it is the only source of their problems, are unreasoning zealots. Being born black is not a "handicap," but since it is an indicator that chances are you will grow up in tougher conditions than the average white person and since it means you will face discrimination based on the color of your skin at various times in your life, it does have certain disadvantages. Acknowledging that is in no way paternalistic and is in no way demeaning.

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