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Ground balls, pop-ups and home runs in at-large candidates forum

Greensboro at-large city council candidates fielded questions at the Neighborhood Congress forum last night better than the Cardinals and Rangers fielded batted balls in their dramatic but error-filled World Series game.

There were even some surprises ... like when Nancy Vaughan was talking about crime in her Old Irving Park neighborhood, where her home was broken into three times in five years.

Because her husband is sometimes away, "I thought about buying a little handgun," she said. Instead, she sleeps with a kitchen knife next to her bed.

The question was about neighborhood gripes. Danny Thompson, who lives in the Cardinal, is still sore about annexation, engineered, he said, by "Mayor Johnson." That's ex-mayor Yvonne Johnson, who's also an at-large candidate this year, and who was sitting immediately to Thompson's left.

Residents were given no say in the matter, Thompson said, and they "still don't have sidewalks, street lights, a city park ..." There was "no planning" done, he said, except to annex.

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Johnson blamed the current council for City Manager Rashad Young's imminent departure for Alexandria, Va.

"I think he left because he was frustrated and micromanaged to death," she said. He might not have stayed a lot longer, she added, but he would not have left so soon were it not for the council.

Marikay Abuzuaiter expressed a similar view, noting that Young told her when he arrived two years ago that he wanted to raise his children in Greensboro. Something bad happened to make him change his mind, she said, adding that lately "I could see him wearing down."

(Young has not indicated his decision was based on dissatisfaction with Greensboro or the council. This line of reasoning fits a particular political narrative. The opposing narative, mentioned by Bill Knight at his debate with Robbie Perkins Oct. 17, is that Young's ambition from the start was to end up in the Washington, D.C., area. I hope to ask Young about all this myself and will report if I get a response.)

Update, with Young's response:

When he was looking for a position 2+ years ago, Young did resolve that there were two places outside Ohio where he was interested in living. Those were North Carolina and the D.C. metro area. So it is reasonable to infer that when the first good opportunity in the D.C. area presented itself, Young would pursue it.

As to being frustrated to the point of wanting to leave, Young told me he's not interested in being the subject of a political debate. He hasn't always agreed with the council, but he hasn't always agreed with any council he's worked for. He doesn't expect he'll always agree with the council in Alexandria. That goes with the territory, and someone who can't deal with that is in the wrong line of work. This isn't about compromising integrity or ethics but recognizing that the elected governing board sets the policy and the manager works for the board.

There have been times, he said, when he's told council members privately what he thought about their actions, but not always.

As far as Greensboro, Young says it's a great place to live and have a family, it has many community assets and a great future. It's a tough time for city government, but that's true everywhere. But he likes the city's capacity to move forward.

He sure doesn't sound like a man who can't wait to put Greensboro in his rearview mirror ... although he's clearly looking forward to an outstanding opportunity in Alexandria.

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The following are some other bits and pieces of interest:

Wayne Abraham introduced the idea of "participatory budgeting" by neighborhood, which would give residents more of a voice in deciding how city funds should be spent in their areas of the city.

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Vaughan doesn't think the city's redesigned website is so hot.

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Regarding solid waste, Chris Lawyer said recycling must be a priority. "If we don't reduce our footprint, we're making the problem worse."

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The question was whether the candidate would let the manager and staff make a recommendation about how to handle solid waste.

"Yes," said Thompson.

"I'm happy to hear that answer because that didn't happen this time," Vaughan said, figuratively employing that kitchen knife.

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Vaughan again, this time on the council's partisan divisions: "We don't want to become like Congress, do we? And I'm afraid that's the direction we're going."

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On RUCO, Abuzuaiter suggested that police officers -- the "eyes on the street" -- could report problem properties.

"I'm not sure I'd have our police department running our RUCO program," Thompson said.

Lawyer said that in just driving all over the city, "I've seen housing none of us would want to live in." Inspectors ought to be able to see that, too.

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Asked to grade the council's performance, Thompson gave it a B on the strength of "an incredibly fiscally conservative budget." It funded "all vital services," he said, and did not lay off or furlough any employees.

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Thompson, apparently not feeling well, left the forum during a break about halfway through.

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Asked about conflicts of interest, Vaughan said she was "glad to address" the issue.

She had two conflicts regarding zoning cases in which her attorney husband Don represented neighborhoods. He will no longer take such cases while she is on the council, she said. "That's bad for the neighborhoods, but that's the deal we have struck." He will continue to represent Waste Industries and Cone Mills -- both factors that came into play on landfill-related matters.

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On library funding and building the delayed Lake Jeanette branch, Johnson said she wants the county to pay its share of costs for operations.

Lawyer, who lives in the Lake Jeanette area, said the branch should remain on hold until finances improve. "We have to make sure we're not overextending ourselves," he said.

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Asked to name a program or service she would cut, Abuzuaiter said loose-leaf collection. She's seen mountains of leaves at the landfill, calling the collection a "big waste of money." Leaves piled at the curbs end up in the storm drains and cause additional problems. People ought to compost their leaves, she suggested.

Vaughan agreed ... "but you can't imagine the number of emails we got when that was on the table." She mentioned that people in her neighborhood dump leaves in the street, which then get washed into the sewer system or detention ponds. "I want to call and report them but I won't because I want their votes," she said.

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Asked if they'll stay involved in the community if they lose on Nov. 8 ...

Vaughan: Yes, noting her present volunteer activities, including homeless outreach and adult literacy. "If I don't win, it won't be my defining moment."

Lawyer: Yes, he wants to be a voice especially for young professionals. "I'll still be a voice somewhere."

Johnson: "I want to be elected, but thank God Ihave a life ... but I'm going to work in the community until I die."

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So, who won?

The Cardinals, in 11.

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newtogso

October 28, 2011 - 9:51 am EDT

I wouldn't hold your breath for Rashad to say anything different than he already has. He's too politically smart for that. I was hoping he would have stayed, but it doesn't serve any real purpose at this point to pin his departure on one reason or another. Time to move forward and hopefully find someone equally as capable.

Nancy Vaughan

October 28, 2011 - 9:52 am EDT

Good recap, but I'm not sure that my attempt at loose leaf collection humor comes across as well in print as it did in person.

Doug

October 28, 2011 - 10:56 am EDT

I agree that was a laugh line.

retiree

October 29, 2011 - 8:53 am EDT

It came across as a politician who was looking for votes and wouldn't step forward and make a decision on the issue alone. We've had way too many politicians who don't vote with their convictions, but vote on teh direction of the wind.

Panacea

October 31, 2011 - 10:24 am EDT

I didn't get that impression at all. I got the impression that she realizes that loose leaf collection is valued by Greensboro voters, that failing to do something about leaves is a problem, and that she has problem neighbors she doesn't dare rat out because it would hurt her politically.

I can understand the latter. I have a jerk of a neighbor who won't control his barking dogs (they bark all hours of the day and night). I can push the issue if I want an all out war with him. I don't.

bbzeus14

October 28, 2011 - 11:24 am EDT

Brave, brave Danny Boy!
When the "whole truth" raised its head
He quickly turned his right-wing tail
And fled!

There is a word that tells us exactly what Danny Thompson is. Toadie!

buzzman

October 29, 2011 - 5:40 am EDT

Rashad Young is leaving Greensboro because his new job fits into his original plan. End of story. Typical of the liberals to blame his departure on city council.
It is totally ridiculous for anyone to even consider NOT doing loose-leaf pickup! Folks who have tons and tons of leaves certainly are not going to bag and not everyone can afford the equipment or hire someone to mulch them. Folks will just blow them into the streets and let the city deal with the results. Besides, leaf pick-up is a very small part of the city budget.
There are many other areas that could be reduced or cut. A good place to start would be the excessive number of city employees. Everytime I drive by a city crew doing street work, most of them are standing around talking.

retiree

October 29, 2011 - 9:02 am EDT

You're right about Rashad. He's going further in the government arena even after GBO and Alexandria too. The Dems are just using this as a political tool, especially since the Reps on the Council liked him.

Also, Abuzuaiter is clueless and all the voters should be able to see it . . . and Hoffman too. Abuzuaiter would have all of us (including little old ladies) to pick up their leaves, compost them in the back yard (wonder how big the compost heap would be?), and grow their own vegetables. Then the neighbors would complain about the smell of rotten plant material and she'd send an inspector and probably fine the old lady for creating a health hazard. Good grief! With people like her and Hoffman on the council, it's going to be a long 2 years. Johnson seems to be a full time politician who wants to run for something since it helps pay the bills. At some point in time we get Johnson fatigue, and that applies to alll politicians since the majority of the public doesn't want them to make careers out of public office.

bbzeus14

October 29, 2011 - 12:10 pm EDT

On the other hand, retiree, you seem to be deaf, dumb, and blind regarding the past and present right-wing political shenanigans of Council members Knight, Rakestraw, Thompson and Wade! And, for certain, citizens aren't likely to hear future shouts to reopen the White Street Landfill from Johnson, Abuzuaiter and Hoffman -- nor is it likely that any "mysterious messages" by unknown persons will be reported on their doorsteps. And so, on and on.. . . . . . . ...

Now, who is really clueless, retiree? Look in the mirror.

oh good grief

October 29, 2011 - 3:40 pm EDT

Retiree said, "Also, Abuzuaiter is clueless and all the voters should be able to see it . . . and Hoffman too."

I'll tell you how "clueless" (ditzy?) Nancy Hoffman is -- I've been holding back on disseminating this info since the end of July. I was waiting to see if/when she would correct it -- the erroneous information hasn't been corrected as of today (October 29).

Nancy Hoffman doesn't even know her own zip code.

Witness the following entry copied from the official Guilford County Board of Elections website -- at the very least Hoffman has never gone back to check and/or correct it even if by some chance the Board of Elections made the error.

GREENSBORO CITY COUNCIL DIST 4
Seats to Fill: 1
HOFFMANN NANCY
57 FOLKESTONE DR
GREENSBORO, NC 27405
Phone:
Date Filed: 7/25/2011

FYI, the USPS zip code for that address given is 27408.

Really makes you want to turn her loose reading, or even glancing through, documents which have/would have/could have any impact on the residents/taxpayers of the City of Greensboro, doesn't it?

oh good grief

October 29, 2011 - 4:09 pm EDT

Correction -- "FYI, the USPS zip code for that address given is 27403."

Hey, what can I say except that I caught my error almost immediately and I'm not even trying to convince anyone that I could be an attentive and productive member of the City Council. Thank my (and your) lucky stars for that!

bbzeus14

October 29, 2011 - 7:38 pm EDT

oh good grief: winner of the infinitesimal, right-wing "NITPICKER-OF-THE-YEAR AWARD" Applause! Hissss! Boooooo!

oh good grief

October 29, 2011 - 9:01 pm EDT

Like I said, bbzeus14, I didn't talk about it for a long time because I kept waiting for Ms. Hoffman or the Board of Elections to correct it.

It may seem "nitpicky" to you, given the grand, grander, grandest view you have of anything NOT "right-wing," but I imagine that, dollars to doughnuts, if the "error" shoe were on a "right-wing" foot you would have said something as soon as you discovered it. That is, if you are at all detail oriented.

By the way, you don't know what my complex societal/political leanings are as reflected in my everyday life, much less what form any of those myriad "leanings" might take in the voting booth.

Panacea

October 31, 2011 - 10:29 am EDT

Are you sure it wasn't just sloppy handwriting and a mistranscription by a county employee?

That happened to me once; an HR employee misread my social security number when setting up my health insurance policy (my hand writing is atrocious).

I can see her submitting a hand written form, and someone entering it in wrong for the BoE website.

oh good grief

November 1, 2011 - 9:32 pm EDT

Panacea, that is why I included the following in my first post:

" . . .at the very least Hoffman has never gone back to check and/or correct it even if by some chance the Board of Elections made the error."

If your name and address were going to be shown on a government website when you were running in an election, wouldn't you at least check the information once it was posted to the website and get the word out about the error (possibly not pointing fingers at the Board of Elections if it was their error, but at least letting people know that the address's zip code is incorrect)?

regularvoter

November 1, 2011 - 11:30 am EDT

I am a very old retiree. Years ago we began planting ivy - now we just let the ivy eat the leaves. But if you don't have ivy, is mow the leaves as they fall. Quick and easy and beats raking it.

regularvoter

November 1, 2011 - 11:35 am EDT

Do you know Abuzuaiter? If you did, you wouldn't think she was clueless. You obviously don't know any about her or her contributions to the city. You should read about her before you judge her! I'm a little old lady, too. I retired in 1993.

Big Jake

October 29, 2011 - 2:08 pm EDT

What you are going to hear is we need more money because we kept WLS closed. Raise taxes is going be the answer! Raise water and sewer rates! Matt B needs more money. Ok. Prepared food tax. Stick it to the poor people cause it will hurt them the most. Way to go liberals on council!

bbzeus14

October 29, 2011 - 2:36 pm EDT

Big Joke, haven't you heard? Taxing is a way to create, maintain, and extend a civilized society! Wake up!

Connie Mack Jr

October 29, 2011 - 5:35 pm EDT

Because her husband is sometimes away, "I thought about buying a little handgun," she said. Instead, she sleeps with a kitchen knife next to her bed.* Doug reporting quote

You do understand that it is your citizen duty to informed the Candiate that one does not bring a knife to a gunfight!

Big Jake

October 30, 2011 - 9:36 am EDT

Hey Doofus 14, increasing property taxes will help keep the poor even poorer. Same with raising the water and sewer rates. These taxes are regressive in nature! You really are a doofus if you believe otherwise.

Panacea

October 31, 2011 - 10:32 am EDT

That was really uncalled for.

Water rates are going up anyway. The city can raise property taxes, but since most properties are LOSING value, it's unlikely a rate increase will raise much revenue. A rate high enough to do that will be too politically unpopular for anyone.

No, what will happen is the city will start cutting services that people want, like loose leaf collection.

General Greensboro

October 31, 2011 - 10:49 am EDT

zeus: Quit it with the name-calling already. You, too, Jake.

GG

regularvoter

November 1, 2011 - 11:37 am EDT

I agree - read all you can about all the candidates, make up your mind and vote for the one you thinks is best for the job and leave the rest of the candidates alone!

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