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Protecting Davenport?

Some people wonder why the News & Record did not enable comments on Charles Davenport Jr.’s Sunday column.

Blogger Roch Smith Jr. suggests we are protecting Davenport from the wrath of those who disagree.

Not so.

We enable comments on some but not all content, particularly in cases in which the comments are likely to be anything but civil, as is almost any story involving race or sex.

But it’s a fact.

We started using more discretion in these cases as the comments became rowdier and rowdier.

It wasn’t the only change we made. We also shortened the window on letters to the editor comments to 24 hours in an effort to better monitor them.

More and more readers were complaining about the meanness and outright racist sentiment in the letters comments.

They were right.

So we acted.

I wrote about it here.

Roch’s not buying it.

As Charles will confirm, his columns are at odds with my own and with the paper’s editorial stances about 99 percent of the time.

So we’d offer him a cushion from commenters that we don’t even afford ourselves?

Fat chance.

That said, we know our process isn’t perfect.

Frankly, we would like to enable all comments all the time.

And we would if more people would agree to be adults in our online forums.

Sad to say, we’re not there yet.

 

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Fecund Stench

September 9, 2009 - 8:27 pm EDT

I grew a little bit older waiting for this crummy site to let me log in.

I suppose Davenport would require more than 30 pieces of silver were he forced to defend himself.

And since none of you are prepared to do so...

There is something Machiavellian about your logic.

Perhaps a career in politics is in your future.

Those of us who yet maintain our wits read you loud and clear.

Your decision, if not Davenport's, is that of a coward.

Allen Johnson

September 10, 2009 - 8:59 am EDT

Fecund:
The decision is mine and I would not have to make it if more commenters behaved as adults. You are welcome to respond to Davenport here (as you and others already have) and to e-mail him directly at cdavenport@hotmail.com.

scharrison

September 10, 2009 - 5:34 pm EDT

"Frankly, we would like to enable all comments all the time.

And we would if more people would agree to be adults in our online forums."

I know you and John probably won't agree with me on this, Allen, but reader interaction with online articles is not some "novelty" feature, or a privilege that must be earned and/or can be lost, it has (already) become a critical component of online publishing. If you folks are serious about broadening your exposure online with an eye towards drawing in (digital) subscribers for a future profitable web version of the N&R, you have to engage readers as much as possible. What I'm seeing, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is an effort to avoid the need (cost?) of constant scrutiny of the articles you publish.

Don't take this the wrong way, but, if you treat this site like it's a chore, and we should be happy with whatever time you guys spend here, don't be surprised when your readership doesn't blossom into something that's worth your time. Does that make any sense?

Allen Johnson

September 10, 2009 - 5:55 pm EDT

We thought so for a while, ourselves, but we found many readers were discouraged from participating in our online dialogues by the vile tenor of some commenters.

scharrison

September 11, 2009 - 12:00 am EDT

Oh, I understand the reasoning, Allen. I just think you would be better served to delete comments or even (maybe temporarily) ban the IP addresses of those who go too far, as opposed to not allowing comments at all. It may seem harsh or subjective, but think of it as a sports analogy: You don't stop the game when somebody fouls out; the game goes on without them, and the remaining players are less likely to commit the same foul. Unless...the coach tells them to, in order to stop the clock or send someone to the line who has a bad free-throw average...okay, maybe sports was a bad analogy. ;)

gsostudent

September 10, 2009 - 12:14 am EDT

I'm not buying it either. More importantly, Davenport shouldn't even be published by the News & Record. It's an insult to the profession of journalism and denies basic ethics.

tonymo

September 10, 2009 - 11:43 am EDT

hey gsostudent, where are you a student? Must be in a government school that has speech codes! You ever heard of the First Amendment? Oh, in government schools the only thing they teach about the First Amendment is the part about the non existent "Separation between Churdch and State" clause.

left-wing conspiracy theorist

September 11, 2009 - 4:15 am EDT

tonymo-

First Amendment as it relates to your argument states that Congress shall make no law infringing on the freedom of speech.

The operative word here is 'Congress'. The N-R, while a fine and esteemed organization, is not to be confused with the Congress of the United States.

gsostudent

September 10, 2009 - 12:15 am EDT

Racist comments on this site, there are many. But it doesn't help to encourage them by letting your very own racist publish all over your pages as a writer.

Lakeshia

September 10, 2009 - 3:33 am EDT

Comparted to the website of other newspapers, the website of the N&R is lame -

nemo0037

September 10, 2009 - 10:11 am EDT

I have to say, I stopped even looking at Davenport's titles over a year ago. I would have expected that a more intelligent, thoughtful conservative voice could have been found by your staff long before now. Have you looked among the kids in the local high schools?

tonymo

September 10, 2009 - 12:01 pm EDT

Of course you disagree with Davenport 995 of the time because he makes sense, and list the sources of his information when citing stats. That's why he confuses liberals. Putting a fact in fron of a liberal is like putting a cross in front of a vampire!

tonymo

September 10, 2009 - 12:01 pm EDT

Oops, that was supposed to read 99%.

brian444

September 10, 2009 - 1:14 pm EDT

I agree with the tenor of the conversation above. The choleric and intemperate ravings of a few leftist malcontents shouldn't be allowed to impede civil discussion of Davenport's thoughtful and evenhanded columns. In point of fact, such discussion might well serve to disabuse some on the left of their more fanciful and erroneous notions.

left-wing conspiracy theorist

September 11, 2009 - 4:22 am EDT

" Davenport's thoughtful and evenhanded columns"

Are we talking about the same Davenport? To be fair, I did agree with his column from Aug. 23rd.

left-wing conspiracy theorist

September 11, 2009 - 4:38 am EDT

I don't know if you were referring to me, but I would like to know what you find to be a 'choleric and intermperate raving' or a 'fanciful and erroneous notion' in my response to Charles' latest. You can find it here:

http://www.news-record.com/content/2009/09/03/article/canadians_live_lon...

Allen- by the way, is THIS what you were so afraid of?

brian444

September 12, 2009 - 1:21 am EDT

Well, I was being tongue-in-cheek: obviously Davenport goes out of his way to enrage liberals, and apparently does a pretty good job of it. Often, I think he does this needlessly and insultingly. At the same time, I think he's also provocative in a good way, and his columns lead, at least occasionally, off the conservative/liberal talking points. But given his gadfly-style--especially given that style--I agree that a forum is appropriate.

As for your letter, the "fanciful or erroneous notion" I would identify is that you're comparing healthy, ice-skating Canadian apples to indolent, Big Mac-sucking American oranges and explaining the difference through health-care systems. Canadians are healthier, yes, but it doesn't follow that the cause is their medical care system. There is substantial outcomes-based evidence (what happens to patient x with condition y) suggesting that American medical care is superior.

brian444

September 12, 2009 - 3:26 am EDT

A qualification. Although I would argue you haven't shown that Canada has a superior medical-care system, your evidence does point to a fact often suppressed in the current debate: after you reach a basic level of health care (childhood immunizations, elimination of malaria, antibiotics) life expectancy has much more to do with lifestyle than medical care. Our enormously expensive end-of-life care doesn't really add much to our life expectancy. In the U.S., we look to doctors and Big Pharma for the latest, greatest cholesterol-fighting drug instead of cutting down on the Big Macs. And we expect the new knee at 75 instead of gimping around for our last 4 years. Our expectations of medical care are, in many ways, out of line with those in the rest of the world.

left-wing conspiracy theorist

September 11, 2009 - 4:06 am EDT

"More and more readers were complaining about the meanness and outright racist sentiment in the letters comments."

What about the mean and racist comments written by your paid contributors and then published by your paper?

I totally agree with the idea of banning IP's of offending posters, giving warnings, that kind of thing. I know sometimes when I get provoked by a personal attack on this blog, my tone can get ugly, which is something I am not too proud of. You wrote earlier that you were going to start policing the tone and civility of the lte blogs, but so far, I haven't seen much evidence of it...

Christopher Rees

September 11, 2009 - 9:08 am EDT

scharrison's idea of a shot across the bow of offensive commentators is surely the right way to handle them. It's analgous to a "yellow card" or "red card" in soccer. But the debate must go on - or else what's the point of the forum?
And the premature guillotine on debate (24hours) only serves to frustrate those who awake to find they have been muzzled, and cannot respond to late day comments. That will lead to disaffection on the part of all those who participate, and the forum will wither on the vine. Don't we want this thing to be vital and vibrant?

Allen Johnson

September 11, 2009 - 12:13 pm EDT

If you and your compatriots raise the level of discussion, we could always reconsider.
For now, we're sticking with our policy and will see how things go.

Christopher Rees

September 11, 2009 - 3:45 pm EDT

Do you think I need to raise the level of my debate?

Allen Johnson

September 11, 2009 - 4:02 pm EDT

Christopher:
No. Your level of debate is just fine.
And you use your actual name, to boot!

Christopher Rees

September 11, 2009 - 4:35 pm EDT

Thanks Allen. There's a difference between vigorous debate and acerbic pettiness, and I don't care for the latter either. And one more thing: I love this forum!

scharrison

September 11, 2009 - 5:13 pm EDT

Okay compatriots, listen up: We need to meet somewhere and come up with a plan to get our act together. It needs to be someplace with padded floors and walls, like a Dojo maybe. And it needs to be real easy to find for those that are gifted, like right off Wendover or something. If anybody needs a ride, I think Doug Johnson has like 10 sedans and 2 station wagons, so he's the transportation guy.To make things run smoothly, we'll use Parliament procedures: If you hear George Clinton singing, that means shut the hell up for a minute. I'll get with Tony Wilkins and see if he will bring a big block of Velveeta and a box of zinfandel for you heathens that drink. And for safety's sake, I'm going to ask the N&R to not publish the location of this thing until well after it's over. Any questions that won't serve to lower the level of discourse?

:)

Allen Johnson

September 11, 2009 - 5:17 pm EDT

I'm game. We actually did something similar once before two years ago at what used to be The Press.
About a dozen people showed and they were much nicer in person than online.

Christopher Rees

September 11, 2009 - 5:32 pm EDT

As one of them thar heathen drinkers, I'll bring the beer - really. And it'll be the good stuff - those Limeys know their brews!

left-wing conspiracy theorist

September 11, 2009 - 6:05 pm EDT

Hey! Can I come? I'm practically housebroken!

Christopher Rees

September 11, 2009 - 6:38 pm EDT

Ask Allen. I say everyone is welcome who can drink a yard of ale ( alright, just a pint for the girls...)
Cheers!

Allen Johnson

September 11, 2009 - 6:56 pm EDT

So. Are you folks really serious?

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