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People have been trying this approach -- finding common ground to work to prevent unwanted pregnancies -- for many years. And there are many from both "camps" that are happy doing so. But the people who prefer to fight and demonize will continue to do so, because they seem to prefer it. I hope that the President's efforts bear at least a little fruit. Any decrease in the vitriol that permeates this nation's life can only help move us toward a civil society.

This the previous comment shows the utter confusion that Obama and company are wreaking in the abortion debate. There IS NO discussion, there is no "common ground" when it comes to the ignoble deaths of millions of precious babies in the wombs of American women. It is a PR ruse of the most crude sort, utter absurdity and a blatant show of the arrogance and moral intransigence of modern humanism/liberalism. These babies do NOT belong to America or to women - they are God's gloriouos and precious handiwork, via the mechanisms of reproduction He created in the beginning. We are wholly depraved, spiritually and morally, to give an official imprimatur for infant murder. Obama is a godless and immoral man for championing this hideious practice. Shame on him. Shame on America. And shame on all who approve it!

So I take it that Gadfly isn't interested in doing anything to prevent unwanted/unplanned pregnancies?

Is he at least interested in seeing about preventing birth defects and miscarriages, the most common causes of death for fertilized eggs? Or is that also getting in the way of God's ineffable work?

Well. I guess Gadfly was being literal when he said there is no discussion. Interesting. And a little disappointing. Oh well.

We pro-lifers cannot afford to take an all-or-nothing stand when it costs lives we could save. Those who believe that abortion is morally evil should be glad to prevent some, even if we cannot as yet prevent them all. Since the pro-choice crowd grounds what flimsy virtue it has on preventing the alleged future misery of unwanted children (and where is their concern after they are born?), preventing unwanted pregnancies should lower the abortion rate.
First, we should recognize the reality we live in. Teens are going to have sex whether we like it or not. Would we prefer pregnancy followed by abortion, or contraception? The Catholic Church needs to get sensible about this, and ask itself which is the greater evil. The rest of us need to recognize that preaching chastity only gets us so far (especially if we aren't practicing it ourselves). Is murder a greater evil than fornication?

I think Obama was humble, by discussing how he felt right chastened by the doctor's email, and then he went about changing the tone and level of respect afforded all in the debate. Absolutism is not a way to effect change of any degree or kind, in a free society where we must com,e to consensus.

And most liberals who support a woman's right to choose definitely DO show their concern for the life of children born in unhappy circumstances: hence, the calls for a public health insurance option, for example, and the CHiPS program renewed this year.

surely there isn't anything wrong with abortion, eh ?

http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html

may God in His mercy forgive us.

On the other hand, for an interesting scientific view, see

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=its-a-ba-b...